Help with making an orthonormal basis

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The discussion revolves around forming an orthonormal basis from two non-parallel vectors using the Gram-Schmidt process. Participants explore the calculations and concepts involved in orthogonalization and vector projection.

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  • One participant requests guidance on forming an orthonormal basis from the vectors a = (3, 4) and b = (2, -6).
  • Another participant shares their struggle with visual explanations of vectors and expresses a preference for clearer mathematical reasoning.
  • A participant suggests using the Gram-Schmidt process and provides a formula for the projection of vector a onto vector b, stating that the orthogonal vector can be derived from this projection.
  • Calculations are presented for finding the orthogonal vector to b, leading to the conclusion that the two vectors can serve as basis vectors after normalization.
  • One participant explains the reasoning behind the projection formula, relating it to the geometric interpretation involving the angle between vectors and the use of unit vectors.

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Participants generally agree on the use of the Gram-Schmidt process and the projection formula, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to visualizing or understanding these concepts.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding visual representations of vectors and the clarity of explanations, indicating a potential limitation in understanding the geometric aspects of the problem.

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I'm wanting to form an orthonormal basis from two non-parallel vectors.

[tex]a = \left(\begin{array}{cc}3 & 4\end{array}\right)[/tex]

[tex]b = \left(\begin{array}{cc}2 & -6\end{array}\right)[/tex]

Could someone please walk me through the calculations needed? Much appreciated.
 
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I think I've finally figured out. I had it explained to me visually, which didn't make sense. By visually, I am referring to the whole vector "arrow" idea which always troubles me.
 
Look up the Gram-Schmidt process.

Or consider the image I've attached. The vectors are probably pointing in the wrong directions, but it doesn't really matter. The red vector (call it [tex]a_o[/tex]) is orthogonal to b, and the green vector (call it [tex]a_p[/tex]) is parallel to b. Now, a_p is the projection of a onto b, and there's a nice formula for finding it:

[tex]a_p = \frac{a.b}{b.b} * b[/tex]

(It's easy to prove, see any linear algebra text). After some calculations, we find that [tex]a_p = \left(\begin{array}{cc}-9/10, & 27/10\end{array}\right)[/tex]. But since [tex]a = a_p + a_o[/tex], we have that [tex]a_o = a - a_p = \left(\begin{array}{cc}3, & 4\end{array}\right) - \left(\begin{array}{cc}-9/10, & 27/10\end{array}\right) = \left(\begin{array}{cc}39/10, & 13/10\end{array}\right)[/tex]. And so, we have "created" a vector that's orthogonal to b, so you can chose a_o and b as the basis vectors. (Of course, you've got to normalize them first, but that's trivial).
 

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Thanks very much for the explanation. Orthogonalization makes quite a bit more sense now. I've done some visual graphs with Mathematica, and that's helped quite a bit, also.
 
the reason the projection of a onto b is ghiven by that formula is because of the familiar formula a.b = |a| |b| cos(C) where C is the angle between a and b. I.e. from triangle trig, the projection of a onto b has length |a| cos(C). so the vector of that length in that direction is obtained by multiplying a unit vector by that length. Now of course b/|b| is a unit vector in the direction of b,

so the vector parallel to b, with length |a| cos(C), is the product

|a|cos(C) b/|b| = |a||b| cos(C)/|b|^2 b = (a.b/b.b) b.
 

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