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Old Jun25-09, 08:33 PM                  #1
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integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

is it possible to integrate (secx)^3 with eulers formula
could we use that cosx = (e^(ix) + e^(-ix)) /(2)
then take it to the -3 power and multiply it out and try to integrate sec(x)^3 this way.
this is not a homework ?
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Old Jun25-09, 08:44 PM                  #2
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

This will only work well if you integrate from zero to 2 pi. But in that case this particular integral will be divergent.


A rational function of cos and sin integrated from zero to 2 pi amounts to a contour integral of a rational function over the unit circle in the complex plane, so you can directly apply the residue theorem.
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Old Jun26-09, 04:56 AM                  #3
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

can u give me an idea on how to start to integrate this.
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Old Jun26-09, 06:25 AM                  #4
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

It's pretty much just algebra, isn't it?

LaTeX Code: sec(x)= \\frac{2}{e^x+ e^{-x}}
so
LaTeX Code: sec^3(x)= \\frac{8}{(e^x+ e^{-x})^3}
You can multiply both numerator and denominator by e3x to get
LaTeX Code: \\frac{8e^{3x}}{(e^x(e^x+ e^{-x}))^3}= \\frac{8e^{3x}}{(e^{2x}+ 1)^3}
and your integral becomes
LaTeX Code: \\int\\frac{8e^{3x}dx}{(e^2x+ 1)^3}

If you let u= ex, du= exdx and we have
LaTeX Code: \\int\\frac{8u^2 du}{(u^2+ 1)^3}
which can be done in terms of partial fractions.
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Old Jun26-09, 08:15 PM                  #5
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

thanks for doing this it must have taken you a long time ,
But when say multiply both top and bottom by e^(3x)
do you mean e^(3ix) or e(3x)
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Old Jun26-09, 08:37 PM                  #6
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

okay i got it now thanks
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Old Jun26-09, 08:40 PM                  #7
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

Yes it is with the imaginary exponentials. Simply replace everything with i3x and it should still follow
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Old Jun27-09, 02:21 AM                  #8
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

Eh, seems kind of ugly. This integral has a very natural integration by parts solution.
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Old Jun27-09, 02:26 AM                  #9
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

i wouldn't say very natural my whole goal was to find an easier way then by parts , but i think parts is easier
but in the case of like (e^x)sinx dx this is easier with eulers formula then by parts.
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Old Jun27-09, 02:39 AM                  #10
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

Well I meant it was natural in the sense that sec^2(x) is the derivative of tan(x) and sec(x) differentiated gives sec(x)tan(x) and that really lends itself to a clean solution through integrating by parts.

As for (e^x)sinx, I would agree.
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Old Jun27-09, 02:49 AM                  #11
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

yes i agree. but i was hoping eulers formula would yield an easier soultion but appartenlty not.
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Old Jun27-09, 06:33 AM                  #12
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

Sorry about dropping the "i" !
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Old Jun27-09, 06:36 AM                  #13
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

its ok i got it now .
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Old Jun28-09, 01:15 AM                  #14
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

how do i take the arctan(e^(ix)) how do i make it into the real part.
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Old Jun28-09, 09:35 AM                  #15
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

Originally Posted by cragar View Post
how do i take the arctan(e^(ix)) how do i make it into the real part.
The real part of arctan[exp(ix)] is pi/4 for real x.

if f(z) is an analytic function such that for real z we have that f(z) is real, then:

f*(z) = f(z*)

The real part of f(z) is thus given by:

Re[f(z)] = [f(z) + f*(z)]/2 = [f(z) + f(z*)]/2

If we put z = exp(i x) for real x, then we have z* = 1/z, therefore:

Re[arctan(z)] = 1/2 [arctan(z) + arctan(1/z)] = 1/2 pi/2 = pi/4


The fact that

arctan(z) + arctan(1/z) = pi/2

for all z follows directly from the fact that for real z the above identity is valid using analytic continuation.
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Old Jun28-09, 10:31 AM                  #16
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Re: integral of (secx)^3 with eulers formula

i see thanks
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