Quotient rule for derivatives (algebraic division help?)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the quotient rule for derivatives, specifically focusing on algebraic division as it relates to differentiating functions. Participants share their experiences with an older calculus textbook and seek clarification on the division process involved in applying the quotient rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with algebraic division related to the quotient rule, seeking explanations or resources.
  • Another participant critiques the older textbook, suggesting that its approach to calculus is outdated and overly formal, particularly in its treatment of differentials.
  • A suggestion is made to perform long division in the context of differentiating a quotient, detailing a step-by-step method to arrive at the differential.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of using older texts, with one noting that they often rely on more modern resources to understand the material better.
  • There is a strong sentiment that the textbook does not live up to its positive reviews, with one participant stating it is difficult to read and outdated compared to contemporary resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the textbook is outdated and difficult to navigate, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness of the methods discussed for applying the quotient rule or the validity of treating differentials as regular numbers.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the appropriateness of the methods suggested for differentiating using the quotient rule, particularly in relation to the treatment of infinitesimals and the limitations of the textbook's explanations.

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Hi, I'm currently reading "Calculus Made Easy" and ran into a road block. I'm reading this in my spare time so it's not school work or anything (I know some forums have policies about this is why I mention). The answer is there. I just want to know how to go about doing this problem. It relates to the quotient rule for differentiating but I don't think that is terribly important since it's just some simple algebra that's eluding me.

Just an explanation or a link with information on how to do this would be nice. I am familiar with algebraic division (not a ton, but some) and couldn't figure it out. Neither could my friend who is decent with algebra. Anyway enough boring you. Thanks in advance.

edit: I know how to get the first equation, I just need to know how to do the division part if it wasn't clear.
 

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How old is that book? Looks like a very "old style" analysis. Basically, what is happening is "long division": to divide u+ du by v+ dv, how many times does v divide into u: u/v times of course. Now multiply v+dv by u/v: u+ udv/v and subtract from u+ du: u+ du- (u+ udv/v)= du- udv/v. How many times does v divide into that? du/v.
Multiply (du/v)(v+ dv)= du+ dudv/v, subtract that from du- udv/v and continue.

This book is called "Calculus Made Easy"? Looks like their idea of easy is being very formal and ignoring what the symbols really mean. In particular, unless you are going to non-standard analysis (very hard!) it is a very bad idea to treat differentials (dx, dy, etc.) as if they were regular numbers- it works but the reason it works is very deep.

If I were going to calculate the differential of y= u/v using that method (which I have just said is a bad idea) here is what I would do: y+ dy= (u+ du)/(v+ dv) (by definition). Subtract y from both sides: dy= (u+ du)/(v+ dv)- u/v= v(u+ du)/((v)(v+ dv)- u(v+dv)/(v(v+dv))= (uv+ vdu-uv-udv)/(v2+vdv)= (vdu- udv)/(v2- vdv). But since vdv is an "infinitesmal" compared with v2 we can ignore it in the sum v2- vdv (that's the part that makes this a "very bad idea"- proving that involves either using non-standard analysis or a limit process which this method is ignoring) so we have dy= (vdu-udv)/v2.
 
Thanks for your help. Yes, the book is pretty old. I believe over 75 years old, revised a few times. The reason I bought it is that it received good reviews and people said it was a recommended for a decent intro to calculus. It's turning out to be a pain in areas though because of the older style of a lot of things. I've ended up using my knowledge from Morris Kline's Calculus to reason what he's saying in this one, sometimes (stuff like "just throwing things away" with no real reasoning). Too bad I can't locate an answer key, to check my work, for Morris Kline's book or I'd just stick with that. :frown:
 
I originally bought that book based on the positive reviews it received. It doesn't deserve them. It sucks. By contrast to the other books available a hundred years ago, it was probably great, but it's extremely outdated and difficult to read now. The "preview" on Amazon.com was only of the earliest chapters, which were a recent addition by a more modern author and do not reflect the majority of the book's content.
 

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