Two objects moving away from eachother at c - Special relativity

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of special relativity, specifically focusing on two rockets moving away from each other at relativistic speeds, such as 0.95c. The original poster expresses confusion about the implications of these speeds in different reference frames, particularly regarding the perception of speed and effects like time dilation and length contraction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions how the speed of one rocket appears from the reference frame of the other and whether it would exceed the speed of light. They also ponder the effects of time dilation on the aging of the rockets and the implications for their sizes.

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Some participants have begun to clarify the misunderstanding regarding the addition of velocities in relativistic contexts, noting that the speeds do not simply add up as one might expect. They reference the need for a specific formula to calculate the relative speed, which results in a value still less than the speed of light. However, the discussion remains open with various interpretations being explored.

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Participants are operating under the assumption that the rockets are in a vacuum, which raises questions about visibility and the effects of traveling at relativistic speeds. There is also a mention of the need to consider different reference frames when discussing relative motion.

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While I've got all the concepts of time dilation,the twin paradox and length contraction in my head, I still can't get my head around the fact of the following scenario,

Just imagine two rockets in space, moving away from each other in opposite directions at 0.95c or even just c,

in the reference frame of one rocket, wouldn't the other rocket be moving at a speed greater than the speed of light?

what is happening to the opposite moving rocket in one rockets reference frame?
is it getting younger? because of time dilation, wouldn't it turn out to be going back in time? and getting larger instead of contracting(or is it stretching negatively?)

help thanks
 
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another thing, light travels at c in a vaccum, so assuming the rockets are traveling in a vacuum also, they won't be able to see each other because in all of the reference frames, they are traveling faster than c"?
 
One thing at a time:
vorcil said:
Just imagine two rockets in space, moving away from each other in opposite directions at 0.95c or even just c,

in the reference frame of one rocket, wouldn't the other rocket be moving at a speed greater than the speed of light?
No, it wouldn't, and here's why: first, those .95c speeds you're talking about are measured from a certain reference frame. Let's say that's the Earth's reference frame. But to find the speed of rocket 2 in the reference frame of rocket 1 (which is what you're asking about), you have to "boost" yourself from the Earth's reference frame to the rocket 1 reference frame, and when you do that, the velocity of rocket 2 changes like so:
v' = \frac{u+v}{1+\frac{uv}{c^2}}
It's not just simple addition, like you might think. So .95c + .95c is wrong. When you plug into the proper formula, you get
v' = \frac{.95c+.95c}{1+\frac{(.95c)(.95c)}{c^2}} = 0.9987c
So in the reference frame of rocket 1, rocket 2 is moving at 0.9987c, which is close to but still less than the speed of light.
 
diazona said:
One thing at a time:

No, it wouldn't, and here's why: first, those .95c speeds you're talking about are measured from a certain reference frame. Let's say that's the Earth's reference frame. But to find the speed of rocket 2 in the reference frame of rocket 1 (which is what you're asking about), you have to "boost" yourself from the Earth's reference frame to the rocket 1 reference frame, and when you do that, the velocity of rocket 2 changes like so:
v' = \frac{u+v}{1+\frac{uv}{c^2}}
It's not just simple addition, like you might think. So .95c + .95c is wrong. When you plug into the proper formula, you get
v' = \frac{.95c+.95c}{1+\frac{(.95c)(.95c)}{c^2}} = 0.9987c
So in the reference frame of rocket 1, rocket 2 is moving at 0.9987c, which is close to but still less than the speed of light.

Oh,

cheers
 

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