Mystery Physicist Story: Who Was the Experimenter?

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The discussion centers around a story about a physicist who conducted an experiment that did not yield the expected results. Participants are trying to identify the physicist and the experiment in question, which involves themes of scientific inquiry and unexpected outcomes. The conversation touches on historical figures in physics and their contributions, as well as the nature of scientific exploration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a story about a physicist who was a new faculty member and had a promising experiment that ultimately failed to produce expected results.
  • Another participant suggests possible candidates for the physicist, including Rutherford and Feynman, but expresses uncertainty about the specific experiment.
  • There is mention of the solar neutrino deficiency as a potential related topic, though it is not directly linked to the original story.
  • A later reply identifies Compton as the physicist in question, referencing a specific experiment involving X rays and a magnetite crystal, along with a quote attributed to Compton about the nature of scientific inquiry.
  • Participants discuss the importance of understanding unexpected results in science, as highlighted by Compton's experience and the quote about the nature of reality being more interesting than preconceived notions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on who the physicist might be, with some suggesting different individuals and experiments. While there is a consensus around Compton being a likely candidate, the discussion remains open-ended regarding the specifics of the experiment and the broader implications of the story.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a definitive conclusion about the identity of the physicist or the exact nature of the experiment, leaving room for further exploration and discussion.

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One of my professors told me a story about a physicist and I can't remember who it was. It's driving me crazy. This is what I remember about the story.

Apparently this physicist was a new faculty member and he had a seemingly brilliant plan for some experiment. All of the older faculty members got behind him and helped him build the experiment. There was a lot of hype, but the experiment ultimately did not produce the expected results. One of the older faculty told this younger physicist that "the way things are is always more interesting than the way we thought they were", or something to that extent.

The physicist in the story is famous, maybe a Nobel Prize winner later in life, but I just can't remember who it was about and what the experiment was. I googled the quote, but it must be worded differently or something.

If anyone has any ideas, I would love to know.

Thanks!
 
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Now it's driving me crazy, too. I vaguely remember hearing about that. I immediately thought of Rutherford, or one of his students rather, but I can't find anything about unexpected experimental results. I'll keep looking a bit.

Other thoughts: maybe something to do with the muon or pion, or maybe Feynman.

Maybe solar neutrino deficiency. I'm still looking (and going quite mad).
 
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DanielFaraday said:
One of my professors told me a story about a physicist and I can't remember who it was. It's driving me crazy. This is what I remember about the story.

Apparently this physicist was a new faculty member and he had a seemingly brilliant plan for some experiment. All of the older faculty members got behind him and helped him build the experiment. There was a lot of hype, but the experiment ultimately did not produce the expected results. One of the older faculty told this younger physicist that "the way things are is always more interesting than the way we thought they were", or something to that extent.

The physicist in the story is famous, maybe a Nobel Prize winner later in life, but I just can't remember who it was about and what the experiment was. I googled the quote, but it must be worded differently or something.

If anyone has any ideas, I would love to know.

Thanks!

I googled your quoted string, and got two hits. The first hit was to this PF thread of yours (not a surprise), and the 2nd hit was to the Compton Effect:

http://www.google.com/search?source...eresting+than+the+way+we+thought+they+were",+

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Yes, that link is perfect! I never tried googling the exact quote because I assumed my version of the quote was off, but I underestimated my own memory. It was definitely Compton. Here is a quote from the source cited above:

Compton wanted to test an old theory of Wilhelm Weber’s that regarded the atom as the ”ultimate magnetic particle,” as Compton called it. To do so, he reflected X rays from a magnetite crystal, turned a superposed magnetic field on and off, and looked to see if there was any change in position of a Laue diffraction spot caused by a shift of the magnetite atoms in their lattice sites. Try as he might, the diffraction spot never moved; it stayed right where it was. ”My heart sank,” Compton recalled, but just then the chairman of the department, ”a tall slender gentleman with the good Minnesota name of Henry Erikson,” walked in. Compton explained his depressing negative result to Erikson. ”Well, Compton,” Erikson responded, with a friendly slap on his shoulder, ”the way things are is always more interesting than the way we thought they were.” That, said Compton, was one of the best lessons in the understanding of science that I have ever had. The mistaken notion is to get some idea and then try to prove it· · ·. The real thing that a scientist tries to do when he is faced with a phenomenon is to attempt to understand it. To do that he tries all the possible answers that he can think of to see which one of them works best.
 

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