in Astronomy gamethread chroot mentioned the cosm. event horizon
the current distance to the farthest object we will ever be able to see even if we could wait forever for the light to get here
this paper by Davis Davies and Lineweaver compares the area and entropy of THAT horizon with those of another wellknown horizon----a black hole's.
some nice formulas that go back to Beckenstein 1973 about black holes and second law of thermodynmics entropy area and all.
must be deep because people have gotten a lot of mileage out of them, including Hawking---black hole temp and entropy has seeded a long line of development
so now these three in Sydney Australia who seem to be very good cosmologists are extending the second law of thermodynamics to this other horizon, and doing thought experiments like
...what happens to the total entropy as a black hole inside our ev. horiz sails out into the beyond, carrying all its great load of entropy?
analogous to the thought experiments Bekenstein did about things falling into black holes and asking what happens to the entropy
this is entertaining stuff. they get results.
I found the paper at the Penn State U website which lead me to a free online source of journal articles. Here's the abstract of the article, or part of it...
<<INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS PUBLISHING
CLASSICAL AND QUANTUM GRAVITY
Class. Quantum Grav. 20 (2003) 2753–2764 PII: S0264-9381(03)60278-9
Black hole versus cosmological horizon entropy
Tamara M Davis 1 ,PCWDavies 2 and Charles H Lineweaver 1
1 Department of Astrophysics, University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia
2 Australian Centre for Astrobiology, Macquarie University, Sydney, Australia
Received 3 March 2003
Published 6 June 2003
Online at stacks.iop.org/CQG/20/2753
Abstract
The generalized second law of thermodynamics states that entropy always increases when all event horizons are attributed with an entropy proportional to their area. We test the generalized second law by investigating the
change in entropy when dust, radiation and black holes cross a cosmological event horizon. We generalize for flat, open and closed Friedmann-Robertson–Walker universes by using numerical calculations to determine the cosmological horizon evolution. In most cases, the loss of entropy from within the cosmological horizon is more than balanced by an increase in cosmological event horizon entropy, maintaining the validity of the generalized second law of thermodynamics. However, an intriguing set of open universe models shows an apparent entropy decrease when black holes disappear over the cosmological event horizon. We anticipate that this apparent violation of the generalized second law will disappear when solutions are available for black holes embedded in arbitrary backgrounds.
1. Introduction
A significant advance in physical theory was made by Bekenstein with the suggestion (Bekenstein 1973)that the area of the event horizon of a black hole is a measure of its entropy. This hinted at a deep link between information, gravitation and quantum mechanics that remains tantalizingly unresolved today.
Bekenstein’s claim was bolstered by Hawking’s application of quantum field theory to black holes (Hawking 1975), from which he deduced that these objects emit thermal radiation with a characteristic temperature,...>>
a few thoughts of my own, on first seeing their journal article:
the math is remarkably easy here---first year calculus, mostly just a few simple integrals and some graphs
In the gamethread chroot was talking about the distance to the cosmological event horizon. According to Lineweaver's tutorial, it is currently 62 billion lightyears.
I wonder if it radiates. the way a bl. h. event horizon does.
It is a big sphere out there with radius 62 containing all we shall ever see. things that cross it into the outside can't ever send messages back... sorry for disordered thoughts----just looked at
this paper for the first time a few minutes ago