Forgiveness or behavior modification?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the concepts of forgiveness versus behavior modification in response to wrongdoing. Participants share personal experiences and propose various strategies for dealing with interpersonal conflicts, examining the implications of forgiveness, punishment, and the dynamics of relationships.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that forgiveness can lead to personal growth and understanding, while others express concerns about being taken advantage of if one is always forgiving.
  • One participant proposes the "tit for tat" strategy from game theory, advocating for forgiveness until betrayal occurs, after which retaliation is warranted.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that correcting someone's behavior is not the same as seeking revenge, suggesting a need for a nuanced approach to interpersonal dynamics.
  • Several participants note that the ability to forgive is influenced by empathy and understanding, indicating that context matters significantly in these decisions.
  • One participant describes forgiveness as a strategic choice that allows for disengagement from negative interactions, suggesting it can be empowering.
  • Another perspective highlights a reciprocal approach, where forgiveness and revenge are contingent on the nature of the relationship and the actions of others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and appropriateness of forgiveness versus behavior modification, with no clear consensus reached. The discussion remains unresolved, reflecting diverse opinions on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the effectiveness of forgiveness or behavior modification can depend on individual circumstances, relationships, and personal values, which are not universally applicable.

Forgive or Revenge

  • Forgive

    Votes: 7 87.5%
  • Revenge

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • DIE!!!!!!!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    8
jammieg
Is it better to forgive others for wrongdoing or is it better to remember and treat them accordingly, or even seek to punish them to correct their faulty behavior as a parent might punish a child?
What would happen if everyone agreed that either extreme was the way to go? What is your experience with these two methods?


My own experience is that most often when I forgave someone I realized much later on that we were both wrong about 90% of the time, not that my opponent realized it but at least I did, and when I sought revenge it felt good, it always feels good but I'm sure I wasn't always in the right there either. My own dilemma is that if I'm always forgiving of others won't I always get used, won't people see it all over me and some of them see me as an opportunity maybe in some subconscious way?
 
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Much experience with repeated "prosoner's dilemma" interactions suggests that a successful strategy is "tit for tat". Forgive others until someone betrays you, then betray that one until she goes back to fair play. Something along these lines may be hard coded in primates.
 
Treating a person in accordance with their behavioral patterns and making an attempt to correct them when they err is not akin to revenge. Someone needs to add another option to this poll.
 
you should try as much as you can to forgive... but sometimes you just can't.
 
exactley my point. it depends on the circumstances and the very person that is forgiving.

the "ability to forgive" is closely bonded to understanding and empathy.
 
Forgiveness is more of an attitude than a behavior. I can forgive someone for, let's say, mistaking me for someone else and attacking me. However, that does not mean I simply allow them to attack me or necessarilly attempt some kind of behavior modification on them. Without a clear context and situation, I can't tell you what I would do!

I can tell you, should has nothing to do with the issue imo.
 
Forgiveness is the most clever ploy of them all. It signals the end of your half of the game, and your unwillingness to play that game any more. It releases your energies back to your disposal again, and disengaged you can correct your path, and go forward. It takes two to tango, and if you don't want to dance any more, you don't have to.
 
as the satanic bible would say "Do unto others as they do unto you"

i would forgive someone if i had a relationship with them in which i expected them to forgive me. similarly, i would seek revenge on someone who i know would seek revenge on me for a similar crime. it varies so very much depending on the person and the situation, and how much that person is worth to me.

just like with my life, I am nice to people who are nice to me, and I am a prick to those who are mean to me. I am never mean in the first place, but i will retaliate and hold a grudge.

im no satanist, but i believe in that. do unto others as they do unto you. I am just that kind of person.
 

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