Are operators always commutative with respect to operation +?

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The discussion revolves around the commutativity of operators with respect to the addition operation, particularly in the context of linear operators in quantum mechanics. Participants explore whether the addition of operators is always commutative, contrasting this with the non-commutative nature of operator multiplication.

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  • Some participants note that while multiplication of operators is generally non-commutative (e.g., orbital angular momentum operators), addition of operators appears to be commutative.
  • One participant provides a mathematical demonstration using functions to show that (A + B)f = Bf + Af, suggesting that A + B = B + A holds true.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the commutativity of rotations, using the example of rotating a book around different axes, questioning how this relates to the addition of angular momentum operators.
  • A warning is issued about the incorrect assumption that exp(A) exp(B) = exp(A + B) for non-commuting operators, emphasizing the importance of order in operations.
  • It is mentioned that the domains of the operators must allow for the sum to be defined for the addition to be valid.
  • Concerns are raised about the order of operations, particularly regarding exponentiation and addition, and the implications of non-commutativity in the context of resulting operators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of operator addition versus multiplication. While some agree that addition is commutative, others highlight complexities and potential pitfalls that arise when considering operator exponentiation and the order of operations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations related to the domains of operators and the conditions under which addition and exponentiation can be applied. There is also an emphasis on the need to carefully consider the order of operations in mathematical expressions involving operators.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics, particularly those studying quantum mechanics and operator theory, as well as anyone exploring the mathematical foundations of linear operators.

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In general AB =/= BA, for example,
orbital angular momentum operators, L_x, L_y.

but is A + B = B + A always true?
 
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Yes.
(A+B)f=Af+Bf=Bf+Af=(B+A)f, so A+B = B +A

You are simply working with functions (Af and Bf), so the addition is commutative.
 
I think so, but this is puzzling to me:

put hbar = 1
L_x + L_y = L_y + L_x
so, exp(-i theta L_x) exp(-i theta L_y) = exp(-i theta L_y) exp(-i theta L_x)

that means rotation about x-axis and rotation about y-axis are commutative?


but rotate a book around x-axis 90 deg followed by y-axis 90 deg is not same as the other way round.
 
Warning: for (non-commuting) operators A and B,
you cannot write:

exp(A) exp(B) = exp(A+B)

!

cheers,
patrick.
 
I see,
things become clear when you expand the exponentials

Thank you.
 
provided the domains of the operators allow for the sum to be defined, linear operators will respect the addition operation.
 
You have to be careful with your order of operations (associativity). Exponentiation first and then addition vs. addition first and then exponentiation. The exponentiation makes different operators, say:

eA = Ω and eB = Λ

Not only do you have to worry about A + B = B + A, which is almost trivial in a physics context, you must also worry about [Ω,Λ] = 0, which is often enough untrue.
 

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