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| Oct17-09, 03:43 PM | #1 |
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State of the Climate September 2009
2nd warmest September on record! (after 2005)
El Nino is weak, but expected to strengthen. So, this makes 2 months in a row with 2nd warmest temperature on record designation. August 2009 was also the 2nd warmest (but behind 1998 instead of 2005). What's significant about all of this, is that it is occurring while solar activity is at a 90 year minimum. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?repor...ted=Get+Report |
| Oct20-09, 05:20 PM | #2 |
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funny how it only shows up on ground-based measures. UHI anyone?
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=347415 |
| Oct20-09, 07:23 PM | #3 |
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Wagmc;
It's not just ground based measurements. Current satellite data is also showing near record temperatures for September. Check out the latest from the NCDC: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=global UAH data for the lower troposphere was the 2nd warmest September on record showing a trend of 0.13C/decade of warming. RSS data for the lower troposphere was also the 2nd warmest September on record showing a trend of 0.18C/decade of warming. I think most everyone realizes that El Nino during 1998 was exceptionally strong. Now, with only a mild El Nino, global temperatures are near establishing record highs. |
| Oct20-09, 10:33 PM | #4 |
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| Oct21-09, 08:33 PM | #5 |
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The trend values are quoted directly from the NCDC (National Climate Data Center).
They stated the UAH/RSS warming trend of the lower troposphere for Sept 2009 was +0.13/0.18 C/decade. Interestingly, using the Jan-Sept 2009 UAH/RSS data for the lower troposphere, they state the trend is +0.12/0.16 C/decade. So, the longer term trend is not as much warming as what just the last month would suggest. Anyhow, the point is that using satellite data, the NCDC is finding a distinct warming trend. The RSS data is consistent with surface temperature measurements, while the UAH data shows smaller value by between 0.04 to 0.05 C/decade. Offhand, I don't know why the 2 satellite systems differ so much, but they are both showing a warming trend. |
| Oct21-09, 10:30 PM | #6 |
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| Oct21-09, 11:14 PM | #7 |
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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/get-fi...onth=9&ext=gif Over different time periods the trend of course varies. For shorter time periods closer to the present, the warming trend vanishes. For instance, thanks to sylas, we have this linear regression handy on the surface station data, 1974 to 2008: |
| Oct22-09, 11:50 AM | #8 |
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The NCDC is probably using all the satellite data when calculating the trend data.
Using the data for Septembers, they come up with a long term trend of +0.13/0.18 C/decade of warming. Using the data for January-September periods, they come up with a long term trend of +0.12/0.16 C/decade of warming. So, what this shows us, is that the Sept 2009 value is showing a slightly faster warming than using the Jan-Sept 2009 value. This makes sense because there was a weak La Nina in the early part of this year that has since transitioned to a weak El Nino. However, as stated earlier, it not clear why the 2 differant analysis of the data (RSS vs UAH) are at such a wide variance to each other. UAH is showing less warming than RSS. RSS is more in line with surface measurements, but it remains to be seen how close surface temperatures should track the lower troposphere. My thoughts are that ower troposphere temperatures should track surface temperatures fairly closely. |
| Oct22-09, 06:25 PM | #9 |
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The raw data used is microwave brightness, in different frequencies, coming up from the Earth. One can estimate temperatures for different altitudes by appropriate weighting of the different microwave frequencies. It is also necessary to correct for satellite orbital decay, satellite drift for the time of day at which points are sampled, merging and calibration of data from different satellites, effects of cloud, and a lot more. This analysis is done by RSS and UAH, independently of each other, from the raw microwave brightness data. The NCDC then uses the RSS and UAH datasets, which are for temperatures, and calculates trends. An introduction to the microwave data and the temperature extraction processes is available at the RSS (remote sensing systems) website. See Description of MSU and AMSU Data Products. The differences between RSS and UAH (University of Alabama Huntsville) are entirely due to the mathematical procedures for homogenizing the raw data. It is not possible at this stage to identify plainly which one is correct, and so both are reported. Cheers -- sylas |
| Oct24-09, 04:47 PM | #10 |
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Was it true in 2007 and 2008 and should we expect it in the future? |
| Oct24-09, 06:28 PM | #11 |
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You are not looking at a 2009 figure, but at trends over 30 years; and the effect of adding the 2009 data point is small on those trends. Beyond that I make no further claims about the cause of seasonal differences. In fact, this is one of the major RSS UAH differences; one has a stronger seasonal effect than the other. This is an artifact of the analysis method, and at this point it is not clear which dataset has the artifact. Cheers -- sylas |
| Oct25-09, 12:15 PM | #12 |
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The moon lifts the ocean about a meter and moves about 1600 kilometers per hour. Does this tidal force leave a heat track,say, during a full moon?
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| Oct25-09, 12:46 PM | #13 |
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The moon being full makes no difference; that's only about how the moon is lit by the Sun. |
| Oct25-09, 06:08 PM | #14 |
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| Oct25-09, 06:35 PM | #15 |
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| Oct26-09, 02:47 PM | #16 |
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I meant that the heat track would be more visable in the dark. A big tide of ten meters should produce about 1/100 of a degree. A rattlesnake can resovle the difference.
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| Oct26-09, 04:09 PM | #17 |
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See this report for an interesting study on the matter: TOPEX/Poseidon: Revealing Hidden Tidal Energy, at NASA. The associated reference is
Here is a thumbnail image of the tidal energy dissipation zones inferred as part of this study; the NASA page has the higher resolution picture available. ![]() Felicitations -- sylas |
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