Solving Rational Number Equation | Express x as Ratio of Integers

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The discussion revolves around a set of equations involving integers a, b, c and nonzero real numbers x, y, z. The original poster questions whether x can be expressed as a rational number, specifically as a ratio of two integers, based on the relationships defined by the equations.

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  • Participants explore the structure of the equations and question the necessity of parentheses in the expressions. Some suggest rewriting the equations in a different form to facilitate solving for x. Others propose using auxiliary variables to simplify the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding potential methods to isolate x, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach or the nature of x.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the notation used in the equations, particularly the placement of parentheses, which affects interpretation. Participants are also considering the implications of defining auxiliary variables to aid in solving the equations.

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Suppose a, b, and c are integers and x, y, and z are nonzero real numbers that satisfy the following equations:
xy/x+y = a
xz/x+z = b
yz/y+z = c

Is x rational? If so, express it as a ratio of two integers.



I am pretty sure x is rational, but I don't know how to get the ratio. I am guessing the ratio uses a, b, or c. I tried solving for x, but that got me no where.
 
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Now, I have to assume that you mean xy/(x+y), with the brackets. You really should write those brackets in instead of leaving it to those trying to help you having to guess what you mean (technically, without the brackets, the equations become 2y = a, 2z = b = c, and x could be any non-zero, so we have to guess you mean it with the brackets). Now:

[tex]x = \frac{ya}{y - a},\ y = \frac{zc}{z - c},\ z = \frac{xb}{x - b}[/tex]

[tex]x = \frac{ya}{y - a},\ y = \frac{\left (\frac{xb}{x - b} \right )c}{\left (\frac{xb}{x - b} \right ) - c}[/tex]

Take your equation for x, substitute what you have for y, and you have an equation with only x, a, b, and c. Isolate x, and see what you get. I would think you'd get something like [itex]f(a,b,c)/g(a,b,c)[/itex] where the functions f and g are simple ones that take a, b, and c and simply add or multiply or divide them together in different ways. If this is so, and you get a non-zero denominator and numerator, then x is rational.
 
sjaguar13 said:
Suppose a, b, and c are integers and x, y, and z are nonzero real numbers that satisfy the following equations:
xy/x+y = a
xz/x+z = b
yz/y+z = c

Is x rational? If so, express it as a ratio of two integers.



I am pretty sure x is rational, but I don't know how to get the ratio. I am guessing the ratio uses a, b, or c. I tried solving for x, but that got me no where.
These equations can be re-written as
[tex]{1\over x}+{1\over y}={1\over a}[/tex]
etc. In this form, they are very easy to solve.
 
Krab is right provided that you define [tex]x^{-1} =u[/tex] and the like for y and z and work with those auxiliary variables
 

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