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Old Nov1-09, 02:51 PM                  #1
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Where do the 'bars' in a barred spiral come from?

I was wandering what the general belief of why barred spiral galaxies, contain 'bars' as straight lines in nature are pretty rare. To my untrained and unqualified eye, it clearly looks - on all the photographs that I've seen - as if there are two 'bars' being emitted from the opposite sides of a small disk at the galactic core. This seems to suggest to me that they are the product of an extremely high speed ejection (hence the straight lines).

My rather modest collection of literature makes no reference to this.
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Old Nov1-09, 03:24 PM                  #2
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Re: Where do the 'bars' in a barred spiral come from?

I don't know anything about galaxies... but from a naïve point of view we can rule out your hypothesis: ejections would form spirals.
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Old Nov1-09, 03:29 PM                  #3
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Re: Where do the 'bars' in a barred spiral come from?

The current explanation is that a density wave radiated out from the center of the galaxy and it changed the orbits of the stars orbiting it.
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Old Nov1-09, 04:18 PM                  #4
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Re: Where do the 'bars' in a barred spiral come from?

Originally Posted by Hurkyl View Post
I don't know anything about galaxies... but from a naïve point of view we can rule out your hypothesis: ejections would form spirals.
I didn't really mean an ejection in the form of say, a blender with it's lid removed continually throwing its contents out, but more a body of mass restricted by it's own gravity that was getting denser and therefore faster in its rotation until its contents could achieve the escape velocity causing an extremely fast ejection.
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Old Nov2-09, 01:15 AM                  #5
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Re: Where do the 'bars' in a barred spiral come from?

See http://www.maia.ub.es/dsg/wsem/documents/romero.pdf
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Old Nov2-09, 04:19 AM                  #6
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Re: Where do the 'bars' in a barred spiral come from?

An interesting talk in the link posted by Chronos. The question of the bars in barred spirals has, as the talk details, a long and interesting history and remains unsolved. We do have a reasonable idea, but haven't got all the details worked out yet.

We do know from observering the rotational velocties of the different parts of barred spirals that they are not high speed ejections such as proposed by Stark, in fact they basically rotate at the same rate as the rest of the galaxy. They are almost certainly due to some kind of rotationally instability causing a density wave in the galaxies rotation, but it is the origin of this that is not so certain. It is due to a merger, with another galaxy or some internal process for instance?
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