Need help why did the water increased the friction?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of increased friction observed when pulling a shoe on a wet surface compared to a dry one. Participants explore the underlying reasons for this unexpected outcome, considering both experimental observations and theoretical explanations.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their experiment showed increased difficulty in pulling a shoe on a wet board, contrary to the expectation that water would reduce friction.
  • Another participant suggests that the presence of water introduces additional forces, such as a vacuum effect, which can increase the binding between the shoe and the surface, thereby increasing friction.
  • The analogy of a suction cup is presented to illustrate how water can enhance the effectiveness of adhesion by filling gaps that solid materials cannot, potentially contributing to the increased friction observed.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact mechanisms at play, but there is an acknowledgment of the complexity of friction involving multiple forces. The discussion remains open to interpretation.

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The discussion does not address specific definitions of friction or the conditions under which the experiment was conducted, leaving some assumptions and variables unspecified.

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Individuals interested in experimental physics, material science, or those exploring the principles of friction and adhesion may find this discussion relevant.

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need help! why did the water increased the friction??

I did an experiment where I pulled a shoe using a Newton meter on wet board and it was harder to pull the shoe than when it was dry.

The more water I added on the board the harder it was to pull the shoe!

Can someone explain why because logically there should be less friction on water?
 
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In short, because friction was not the only force at work once you had added the water.

Lets say you use a suction cup to attach your cars sat-nav to the windscreen. We all know that the cup will work better when its wet. The reason it works better is because the water forms a bond with the surface that is much more air tight than simply leaving it up to the solid cup alone. This is because water molecules are able to plug the gaps that (mostly) static solid molecules can't.

So when you pulled you shoe along, the water acted to create a vacuum effect between the surface of the table and the shoe, which bound the two together. This would, of course, result in it being much harder to pull the shoe.
 


thanks a lot

I understand better now
 


sounds like a pretty good shoe design to me!
 

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