Can diamond have a liquid state?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether diamond can exist in a liquid state. Participants explore the nature of diamond as a covalent network solid and its melting properties, as well as the characteristics of liquid carbon.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that diamond is a covalent network solid with a high melting point, leading to confusion about its ability to melt.
  • Others argue that while diamond is a form of carbon, in a liquid state, it cannot be classified as diamond due to the lack of a fixed atomic arrangement.
  • A participant suggests that melting diamond would result in liquid carbon, not liquid diamond, likening it to the transition from ice to water.
  • One participant mentions that diamond typically sublimes when heated but can form a liquid at extremely high temperatures and pressures.
  • There are references to the possibility of turning diamond into CO2 using a blowtorch, although the exact temperatures required are uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether diamond can be considered to have a liquid state, with some asserting that it cannot while others suggest that liquid carbon exists at high temperatures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of liquid carbon and its relation to diamond.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of diamond and liquid carbon, as well as the conditions under which diamond may transition to a liquid state. The exact temperatures and pressures required for such a transition are not specified.

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In my lecture, my chemistry professor talked about Bonding in Solids. And he asked us whether diamond can melt(in other words, does diamond can have liquid state). And he did not know either.
And I was a bit confused. Because in my textbook, it says that Diamond is covalent network solid and Covalent network solid has huge melting point.

And I think Diamond can melt. Because if diamond cannot melt, the textbook should say 'with exception to diamond' something like that when putting diamond in Covalent network solid but there was no such word. And besides, they put diamond in category that claims the solids in that category has [melting point].

Can you tell what is right?
 
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Well, diamonds are carbon. What makes carbon a diamond instead of graphite or other forms is the arrangement of the atoms. But in a liquid, there is no fixed arrangement, so I don't think liquid carbon can be considered "diamond" or "graphite" or any other allotrope of carbon - it is just liquid carbon.

That may be more semantics then the chemistry that you were looking for. But I've found references to liquid carbon, so I suppose that might be what you are looking for.

Or are there multiple forms of liquid carbon?
 
Algr said:
Or are there multiple forms of liquid carbon?

No idea, but even if they are - none of them is diamond for the reasons you have elready listed.
 
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Algr said:
Well, diamonds are carbon. What makes carbon a diamond instead of graphite or other forms is the arrangement of the atoms. But in a liquid, there is no fixed arrangement, so I don't think liquid carbon can be considered "diamond" or "graphite" or any other allotrope of carbon - it is just liquid carbon.

That may be more semantics then the chemistry that you were looking for. But I've found references to liquid carbon, so I suppose that might be what you are looking for.

Or are there multiple forms of liquid carbon?

Send your diamonds to me and I will do an experiment and send back the results.:-p
 
Diamond doesn't have a liquid state, because 'diamond' means 'carbon with 4 bonds' just as graphite means 'carbon with 3 bonds'. But a liquid is pretty much by definition a substance with an indefinite (or at least noninteger average) number of bonds, since they're continuously being broken and re-formed if it's in a liquid state.

Similarly you could compare to that there are several forms of water ice, corresponding to different bonding patterns. But there's only one liquid water.
 
So basically yes you could melt diamond but what you would have is liquid carbon since diamond is a particular solid form of carbon.

This is really linguistic hair splitting - it's like claiming you can't melt ice because then you would have liquid 'water' not liquid 'ice'.
 
Diamond usually sublimes when heated, but at about 6000 K and a megabar or two it does form what can be called a liquid.
 
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Wow, thanks everybody! I must tell my proffessor about this. :)
 
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You can turn a diamond into CO2 using a liquid oxygen blowtorch.
 
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SrEstroncio said:
You can turn a diamond into CO2 using a liquid oxygen blowtorch.

As far as I remember it is enough to heat them in the air. Not sure how high temperature is required, but nothing you will be not able to reach at home.

Don't try it with your Mom wedding ring :wink:
 
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Borek said:
As far as I remember it is enough to heat them in the air. Not sure how high temperature is required,
There's a quote I remember from my chemistry textbook, after calculating the heat of combustion of diamond it notes "for obvious reasons diamond is not generally used as fuel"
 

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