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| Nov12-09, 08:44 PM | #1 |
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The Quantum Phenomenon and the Staring Phenomenon
Hi, I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic from the Physics point of view:
Sheldrake, R. (2005). The Sense of Being Stared At Part 2: Its Implications for Theories of Vision Journal of Consciousness Studies, 12, No. 6, 2005, pp. 32–49 http://www.sheldrake.org/papers/Staring/JCSpaper2.pdf Here is a summary of this article (49p): Coover, J.E. (1913), ‘“The feeling of being stared at”—experimental’, American Journal of Psychology, 24, pp. 570–5. http://www.jstor.org/pss/1413454 Does anything leave the eye when we see? Extramission beliefs of children and adults, GA Winer, JE Cottrell – Current Directions in Psychological Science, 1996. http://www.jstor.org/pss/20182415 Beliefs of children and adults about feeling stares of unseen others - ,JE Cottrell, GA Winer, MC Smith – Developmental Psychology, 1996. http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=...ge=50&expand=1 The ability to detect unseen staring: A literature review and empirical tests, J Colwell, S Schroder, D Sladen – British Journal of Psychology, 2000 http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00001/art00005 Sheldrake, R. (2005). The Sense of Being Stared At Part 1: Is it Real or Illusory? Journal of Consciousness Studies, 12, 10-31. http://www.sheldrake.org/papers/Staring/JCSpaper1.pdf Schmidt, S. (2005). Comments on Sheldrake's 'The Sense of Being Stared At'. Journal of Consciousness Studies, 12,105-108. http://www.uniklinik-freiburg.de/iuk...g_JCS_2005.pdf The Non-Visual Detection of Staring - Response to Commentators Journal of Consciousness Studies, 12, No. 6, 2005, pp. 117–26 http://www.sheldrake.org/papers/Staring/JCSpaper3.pdf |
| Nov13-09, 04:14 AM | #2 |
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The Wiseman/Schlitz series of studies would have a lot more credibility in psi research circles than anything Sheldrake might publish.
But this isn't philosophy anyway and ought to be shifted to http://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5 However, check..... http://www.richardwiseman.com/resear...sychology.html The remote detection of staring Some parapsychologists have conducted psychophysiological studies in which participants seem able to psychically detect an unseen gaze. In 1995 and 1998 Prof Wiseman carried out joint studies in collaboration with Dr Marilyn Schlitz (Institute of Noetic Sciences), a parapsychologist who had carried out many of the most successful staring studies. The studies revealed evidence of an ‘experimenter effect’, with the sessions carried out by Prof Wiseman obtaining quite different results from those conducted by Dr Schlitz. A third joint study, reported in 2005, has failed to replicate this experimenter effect. |
| Nov13-09, 05:30 AM | #3 |
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I've already discussed it from the scientific method point of view in the S&D forum, but it deserves a thread of its own which I'll start there later to discuss how it can be tested. |
| Nov13-09, 05:43 AM | #4 |
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The Quantum Phenomenon and the Staring Phenomenon
There is neither convincing evidence that there is an effect, nor is there anything in QM and neuroscience that would suggest there should be. So really no story.
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| Nov13-09, 07:09 AM | #5 |
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| Nov13-09, 02:49 PM | #6 |
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OK, forget the fact that the claimed effect has not been demonstrated reliably under controlled laboratory conditions, surely you see the conflict with physics?
What is the nature of the supposed entanglement between observer and observed? At best, it would be between the starer's eyeball and light reflecting off atoms on the back of the staree's head. There is no basis for a material "perceptual field", some entanglement of minds. |
| Nov13-09, 07:30 PM | #7 |
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Speculation regarding a mechanism of action is not appropriate. The only qualified discussion is that of evidence.
Note also that almost by definition, if any ESP phenomena do exist, we have no accepted model to account for it. The only motivation for such a model would be evidence, so a discussion of any potential evidence is the only worthy discussion. Note again that any data must come from papers published in applicable academic journals listed in the forum guidelines. Sources such as the Journal of Parapsychology, or the JSE, do not qualify. http://www.physicsforums.com/showthr...39#post2269439 |
| Nov13-09, 07:45 PM | #8 |
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Credibility is based on published papers, not opinions. |
| Nov13-09, 07:52 PM | #9 |
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As I say (and parapsychology is a field I know well) the state of the art on the detection of remote staring studies was published in the British Journal of Psychology (2006), 97, 313–322
http://penumbrae.info/documents/muse/skeptic.pdf Long story short, as experimental design was tightened up, the claimed effect disappeared. So there is no evidence in demand of explaining. Sheldrake does his "research" under very loosely controlled conditions and so people quite rightly don't begin to take it seriously. |
| Nov13-09, 07:57 PM | #10 |
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| Nov14-09, 12:17 AM | #11 |
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| Nov14-09, 02:19 AM | #12 |
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Thank you.
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| Nov14-09, 05:40 PM | #13 |
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A logical question arises, how can the sender affect the intended receiver without affecting anything else?. A logical explanation would be:
As no more than one receiver can occupy the same space at the same time, the directional knowledge obtained from the visual knowledge of the receiver must have a role in selecting which receiver the effect is destined for. Another logical question arises, if the sender has no direct visual knowledge of the receiver (the receiver is hidden in a box), how can the sender still affect the receiver?. A logical explanation would be: The directional knowledge obtained from the visual knowledge of the confined space (the box) in which the receiver might be hidden can still tell the probabilities of where the receiver might be, and the effect would hit every point of that confined space. After all our brains are confined in a skull. Any sender who has directional knowledge of where the receiver might be can affect the results of the experiment, even without/before looking at the receiver at all!!. |
| Nov14-09, 07:34 PM | #14 |
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This is now too speculative to be allowed to continue.
No other threads on this subject will be tolerated. If a new paper is found or published, send me a pm with a link. Until then, since you are unwilling to abide by the guidelines, this subject is closed. |
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