Mass, Inertia, Charges & Space-Time: Positioning in Order

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mass, inertia, charges, and their positioning in space-time. Participants explore theoretical implications of mass on the existence and interaction of charged particles, as well as the conceptualization of a singular massive entity like a giant planet within an infinite space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that mass is necessary for inertia and spatial definition, questioning the existence of massless charges.
  • Others argue that entities like light and certain fundamental particles can exist without mass, challenging the initial premise.
  • A participant proposes that if only one giant planet existed, its position would be indeterminate due to the infinite nature of surrounding space.
  • There is a discussion about massless charged particles and whether they can exist in a vacuum, with one participant expressing uncertainty about this concept.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of virtual particles and neutrinos, noting their unique properties and how they relate to classical physics concepts like angular momentum.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the application of classical intuitions to quantum phenomena, particularly in relation to fermions and their angular momentum derived from quantum spin.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the necessity of mass for existence and interaction in space-time, with no consensus reached on the implications of massless particles or the nature of a singular massive entity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of mass and inertia, as well as the unresolved status of whether massless charged particles can exist in a vacuum.

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Things would need to have 'mass' in order to have inertia and be defined somewhere in space-time? If 'charges' did not have mass where would they exist (relative to each other)? More mass = more inertia (harder to change position). Order the position of charges with mass to allow them to interact. You can't have one giant planet for some reason. You need lots. If you had one giant planet 'where' would it exist?
 
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No, things do not have to have mass in order to "be defined". Light has no mass and there are several fundamental particles that MIGHT have no mass. I don't understand what you mean by " Order the position of charges with mass to allow them to interact".

I would think one "giant planet" could exist where ever it wanted! Could you explain your " 'where' would it exist"?
 
If there was only one giant planet, the surrounding space would be infinite, therefore the planet's position would be anything, everywhere, infinite. That's what I mean. It could not exist anywhere because it could exist anywhere else... The other point is that if charges did not have mass they could not exist anywhere relative to each other. Has there ever been a massless charged particle in a vacuum? I could be wrong. This is just is just the way I make sense of it. I'm looking for replies also to see what other people think.
 
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Virtual particles may no have mass in the conventional sense - and there is the neutrino that exhibits such a small mass that it is undetectable - yet it carries a large angular momentum that is normally associated with rotating masses in classical physics
 
You've got to watch out with fermions like the neutrino; their angular momentum is from quantum spin, a non-classical phenomenon. So you can't use classical intuitions based on rotating masses to understand them.
 

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