Magnetic field strength and distance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between magnetic field strength and distance, specifically in the context of a fixed bar magnet and its behavior as a magnetic dipole. Participants explore the mathematical representation of this relationship and seek clarification on the appropriate divisor for magnetic field strength in relation to distance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that gravitational force is divided by distance squared and questions the equivalent divisor for a bar magnet.
  • Another participant states that a bar magnet behaves like a magnetic dipole, with the magnetic field strength decreasing as 1/r^3 at large distances.
  • A participant seeks confirmation on whether the divisor for magnetic field strength is indeed distance cubed, expressing uncertainty about their understanding.
  • There is a request for proof regarding why the magnetic field is proportional to 1/r^3.
  • A later reply confirms that the divisor for magnetic field strength is distance cubed and provides examples, including the field along the axis of a circular current loop and an analogy with electric dipoles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree that the magnetic field strength decreases with distance cubed for a magnetic dipole, but there is ongoing discussion regarding the proof and implications of this relationship.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical details and proofs related to the magnetic field strength, indicating a need for further clarification on the underlying principles.

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Gravitational force is divided by distance squared.

What is the equivalent divisor for a fixed bar magnet?

Thank you for your kind attention :-)

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A bar magnet is approximately a magnetic dipole. Far from a dipole, the field goes like 1/r^3.
 
Hello jtbell :-)

Math is not my forte so please allow to confirm:

the divisor for magnetic field strength is distance cubed?

Or have I misunderstood?

(-_-)
 
Why the magnetic field is propotional to 1/r^3 .
Can you prove it?
 
julianbury said:
the divisor for magnetic field strength is distance cubed?

Yes.

IPhO' 2008 said:
Why the magnetic field is propotional to 1/r^3 .
Can you prove it?

See for example the field along the axis of a circular current loop, another example of a magnetic dipole:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/%E2%80%8Chbase/magnetic/curloo.html#c3

and take the limit as z >> R.

Or you can pretend that the magnet consists of two opposite polarity magnetic monopoles and calculate the field on analogy with an electric dipole (two opposite charges separated by distance d). Find the vector sum of fields from the two monopoles and take the limit as r >> d. It's probably easiest to do this along the axis of the dipole, or along a line perpendicular to the midpoint of the dipole.
 
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