Calculating Electric Force between Identical Charged Rods

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric force between two identical charged rods positioned along the x-axis. Each rod carries a uniform charge +Q and is separated by a distance greater than their lengths. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation of the force exerted by one rod on the other.

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  • Participants discuss the use of charge density and integration to derive the electric field and force. There are suggestions to express the charge in terms of linear charge density and to set up integrals for calculating the force. Some participants also reflect on similar problems involving gravitational forces for conceptual parallels.

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Several participants have offered hints and partial setups for the calculations, indicating a collaborative effort to guide each other through the problem. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but various approaches are being explored.

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Participants note challenges with notation and clarity in mathematical expressions, which may affect the communication of ideas. There is an emphasis on deriving the force without providing a complete solution.

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Identical thin rods of length (2a) carry equal charges +Q uniformly distributed along their lengths.

The rods lie on (along) the x-axis with their *centers* separated by a distance b > 2a.

(Left rod from x=-a to x=a, right rod from x=b-a to x=b+a)

Show that the magnitude of the force exerted by the left rod on the right one is

[tex]F = k_e\frac{Q^2}{4a^2} \ln \frac{b^2}{b^2-4a^2}[/tex]

Thanks very much for answering :-)
 
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if you want you can use this ideas: [tex]q=\lambda2a[/tex] or for a small piece
[tex]dq=\lambdadx[/tex] in this case I'm not going to write the electric field as vector because is in the same direction. -->
[tex]E=K\lambda\int_{-a}^a\frac{dx_1}{r^2}[/tex]and [tex]r=x_1+x_2+b[/tex] because x_1 is the variable on the first rod , x_2 on the other and b is the ditance between them. After this you can integrate with respect dx_2 and take again the interval from a to -a and you'll get the result your looking for.
 
I'm sorry my Latex is not good.However, dq=(lambda)dx and make these substitutions
dr=dx_1 , x_2+b= constants for the first integral. I hope this hepls.
-wisky40
 
I'm going to give you some hints more:

[tex]dF=E\lambdadx_2[/tex]

[tex]F=\int_{-a}^aE\lambdadx_2[/tex]

and finally

[tex]\lambda^2=\frac{q^2}{4a^2}[/tex]

-wisky40
 
I'm sorry my Latex still bad

F=int of E(lambda)dx_2 ,from -a to a

-wisky40
 
This reminds me of a problem where I had to find the gravitational force on one rod due to the other. This was a problem in my Calc. book. The easiest way to solve this is to find the force on a point by the rod and then extending the point into a rod.
 

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