The equivilence of Power and Kinetic Energy

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between power, force, and kinetic energy in the context of physics. Participants are exploring the mathematical expressions that relate these concepts, particularly focusing on the derivation of power in terms of acceleration and velocity.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the expression for power and questioning the transition from velocity to acceleration in the equations presented. There is a focus on understanding the application of the chain rule in the derivation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the mathematical steps involved. Some guidance has been offered about the use of the chain rule, but there remains some confusion about the specific transitions in the equations.

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This isn't homework, just be going over a few concepts.

I'm trying to show that the power delivered by a force equals the rate at which the particle is changing.

Now P = [tex]\vec{F}[/tex] [tex]\bullet[/tex] [tex]\vec{v}[/tex]
= m[tex]\vec{a}[/tex] [tex]\bullet[/tex] [tex]\vec{v}[/tex]
= m[tex]\vec{v}[/tex] [tex]\stackrel{\delta}{\delta t}[/tex][tex]V^2[/tex]

This book is now telling me that the above line = 2[tex]\vec{a}[/tex] [tex]\bullet[/tex] [tex]\vec{v}[/tex]whyyyyy?
 
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I can't really read what you wrote...

[tex]P = \vec{F} \cdot \vec{v}[/tex]

[tex]P = m \vec{a} \cdot \vec{v}[/tex]

[tex]P = m \frac{d \vec{v}}{dt} \cdot \vec{v}[/tex]

[tex]P = m \frac{d}{dt}\frac{||{v}||^2}{2}[/tex]

But after that you get that

[tex]2 \vec{a} \cdot \vec{v} = \frac{d ||{v}||^2}{dt}[/tex]
 
Feldoh said:
I can't really read what you wrote...

[tex]P = \vec{F} \cdot \vec{v}[/tex]

[tex]P = m \vec{a} \cdot \vec{v}[/tex]

[tex]P = m \frac{d \vec{v}}{dt} \cdot \vec{v}[/tex]

[tex]P = m \frac{d}{dt}\frac{|{v}|^2}{2}[/tex]

But after that you get that

[tex]2 \vec{a} \cdot \vec{v} = \frac{d (|{v}|^2)}{dt}[/tex]

In your 4th line, where does that 2 come from? I still don't understand the jump from v to a, shouldn't it be only 2a? Not 2a x V?
 
In the fourth line comes from the chain rule, which is also the reason you get 2a dot v.

[tex]\frac{d}{dt} \frac{v(t)^2}{2} = (2 v(t)) \frac{d}{dt}\frac{v(t)}{2}[/tex]
 
Oh snap, totally forgot about that. Thank you.
 

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