Uniform elecric fields- force and kinetic energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of increasing the separation between conducting plates in a uniform electric field, specifically focusing on the force experienced by a charge and the corresponding gain in kinetic energy. The context includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to electric fields and capacitors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that increasing the distance between the plates would decrease the force acting on a charge, based on the formula F = VQ/d.
  • Another participant presents a formula for the stored energy in a capacitor and argues that if the charge (Q) is invariant, the force is independent of the separation distance.
  • A clarification is made regarding the scenario of a particle being released from the upper plate of the conducting plates in a vacuum.
  • Further elaboration indicates that if the charge is constant and the separation increases, the voltage between the plates increases linearly.
  • One participant proposes a method to generate high voltage by charging the plates at a smaller separation and then increasing the distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between force, separation, and voltage, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the invariance of charge and the conditions under which the voltage changes are not fully explored, leaving room for further discussion.

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what is the effect on the force as well as the gain in kinetic energy if the separation of the conducting plates is increased?

I'm thinking that since F= VQ/d if the distance increases then the force would decrease. I could be wrong.

Since, the gain in KE is equivalent to the work done =Fd and since F decreases (I assume) then the KE would also decrease.
 
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The stored energy in a capacitor is

W = (1/2)CV2= (1/2)Q2/C = (1/2)xQ2/e0A
where x = separation and A = area.
So Fx= (dW/dx)= (1/2)Q2/e0A
So if Q is an invariant, the force is independent of separation.
Also Fx = dW/dx = d/dx(1/2)CV2=(1/2)e0AV2 d/dx(1/x)= -(1/2)e0AV2/x2
where V is held constant.
Bob S
 
sorry, i didn't specify. I was referring to, say, a particle being released at the upper plate of horizontal parallel conducting plates. (in a vacuum)
 
In this case, Q=CV
so V = Q/C = Qd/e0A
where A = area and d the separation
so if Q = constant, and d is increased, the voltage between the plates increases linearly.

One way to generate high voltage between the plates is to charge them up when d is small, then separate the two plates.
Bob S
 

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