Shock Wave in Space: Vacuum or Medium?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of shock waves, particularly in the context of space and supernovae. Participants explore whether shock waves can exist in a vacuum and how they relate to various phenomena associated with supernova explosions, including electromagnetic radiation, gravitational waves, and neutrinos.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether shock waves can travel through a vacuum, traditionally associating them with a medium, as seen in sonic booms.
  • One participant suggests that the shock wave from a supernova could be a wavefront of matter propagating through space.
  • Another perspective proposes that the shock wave could be related to a wavefront of electromagnetic radiation emitted during the explosion, which may have a "shocking" effect on objects it encounters.
  • There is speculation about gravitational waves being produced during a supernova, with uncertainty about their behavior and potential cancellation due to symmetry.
  • Participants mention the phenomenon of light echoes caused by light bouncing off interstellar dust, which could appear as a time-varying light source.
  • The presence of a neutrino surge accompanying a supernova is noted, with questions about its potential effects on surrounding matter.
  • One participant posits that radiation would be the primary damaging factor in such events, raising the question of whether an object impervious to radiation would still experience any effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of shock waves in space, with no consensus reached on whether they can exist in a vacuum or how they manifest in the context of supernovae. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of various wave types and their interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, with limitations in their understanding of the interactions between different types of waves and the conditions under which they operate.

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Im not sure if this is the right forum for this question as I am unsure
where it fits.
I always think of a Shock Wave as something that travels through
a medium, as in a sonic boom from an aircraft, but some talk of shock waves
in space, as in the shock wave from a supernova, is this the correct
terminology? Do shock waves travel in a vacuum, if so what are they?
 
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i'm sorry i don't have a productive post, but I'm surprised nobody has given an answer

i don't know if this is right, but I would think that the shockwave from a supernova would be a wavefront of matter that is propagating through space away from the explosion

or, it is a the wavefront of EM radiation that was radiated all at the same time as it came from an explosion and since it's a lot of energy traveling 'together', then it would 'shock' anything it passed
 
shrumeo , thanks for reply, i have looked and googled, but it must
be one of those questions no one really thinks about.
 
wolram said:
shrumeo , thanks for reply, i have looked and googled, but it must
be one of those questions no one really thinks about.
If gravitational waves exist, then perhaps a wave front could be a gravity wave produced when mass collapses towards the center but then abruptly changes direction as it is forced outward by the explosion. I'm not sure about that. Maybe there is such a spherical symmetry that all of such gravity waves would cancel. But such a wave would travel at the speed of light

There is also an echo that occurs as light bounces off interstellar dust. Such an echo would appear to be a right of light growing with time. It is of the order of the speed of light also.

I've heard that there is also a neutrino surge that accompanies the initial explosion. It travels near the speed of light, but I don't know what damage that could cause if any.

And of course, just the light burst itself may cause the solar winds to change course and all blow in one direction. Such a dense concentration might offer a very quick change in gravitational field.
 
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I've heard that there is also a neutrino surge that accompanies the initial explosion. It travels near the speed of light, but I don't know what damage that could cause if any.
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I have the idea that radiation would do all the damage, any object in the path
of such an event is fried, but it seems we are of one mind about the "shock",
If an object were impervious to radiation would it feel anything?
 

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