What is the Formula for Calculating the Length of Cable Hanging Over a Table?

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The problem involves a flexible cable of length L, initially at rest with a portion x0 hanging over a table. The objective is to determine the length of the cable hanging over the edge after a time t, while neglecting friction and assuming the cable sections remain straight during motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive a formula for the length of the cable hanging over the edge based on time and gravitational acceleration, while comparing their approach to a textbook solution involving hyperbolic functions. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding acceleration and suggest using a free body diagram to analyze the forces involved.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing insights into the forces acting on the cable and the need for a differential equation to describe the motion. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution at this stage.

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Assumptions about the uniform density of the cable and the nature of the forces acting on it are being discussed, along with the implications of these assumptions on the motion of the cable.

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Here's the problem:
A perfectly flexible cable has length L. Initially, the cable is at rest, with a length x0 of it hanging vertically over the edge of a table. Neglecting friction, compute the length hanging over the edge after a time t. Assume that the sections of the cable remain straight during the motion.

The way I see it, the solution will be a formula such that after a certain time t', the solution of the formula is always L, since after t' all of the cable has fallen off of the table. Ignoring a finite L, the physics of the problem should lead to
x = |-x0 - .5gt²|, where x is the length of cable hanging over the edge. Setting x equal to L I see that t' = √[2(L-x0)/g]. Therefore I have as a solution the piecewise formula:

x = |-x0 - .5gt²| for t < √[2(L-x0)/g]
X = L for t ≥ √[2(L-x0)/g]

The textbook, on the other hand, has x = x0 Cosh[√(g/L) t]. I don't have the foggiest idea how they ended up with with solution, unless I missed something big and fundamental. A push in the right direction is greatly appreciated.
 
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You're assuming the acceleration of the system is g which it isn't. Draw yourself a free body diagram to see what is happening. You're going to end up solving some sort of differential equation I gather.
 
Let M be the mass of the cable. Then its density is M/L (I'm assuming it is uniform).
The force pulling the cable off the table is the weight of the portion hanging down: the mass of that portion is (M/L)x and the force is (M/L)xg. The mass used in
"m d2x/dt2= F" is the entire mass: M d2/dt2= (M/L)xg so d2x/dt2= (g/L)x (notice this is not "-" since the chain falling will increase x).
 
Ah, thanks for the replies, guys.
 

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