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Mass of star as function of Luminosity, Temperature and size 
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#1
Jan1310, 02:41 PM

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Hello all,
First, since I'm just a physics teacher, and not an astrophysicist, my questions may sound "obscure" or badly formulated. Especially since I'm not an English native speaker. Sorry about that I need a mathematical relation which could give the mass of a "theoretical" star as a function of its Luminosity, surface Temparature and possibly its Radius. I already know the standard Main Sequence LuminosityMass relation : [tex]\frac{L}{L_{Sol}} = (\frac{M}{M_{Sol}})^a[/tex] where typically [tex]3 < a < 4[/tex], and [tex]a \simeq 3.4[/tex]. This could be inverted to give the Mass as a function of the Luminosity. However, I would like something "stronger", if such a relation exists. So suppose I have access to the star's Luminosity, surface Temperature and Radius, what would be its theoretical Mass ? M(L, T, R) = ??? I'm not taking any metallicity into account here. Also, I would like to know a precise formulation of "Main Sequence stars" on a HertzsprungRussell diagram : what is the mathematical curve which could define the Main Sequence part of the HR diagram ? In this case, I would like to know the LuminosityTemperature function L(T) which could draw the "S" shaped curve on the HR diagram : L(T) = ??? and not just the StefanBoltzman law given by [tex]L(T) = 4 \pi \sigma R^2 T^4[/tex], since I don't know R as a function of T. Any suggestion ? 


#2
Jan1310, 03:39 PM

P: 67

For main sequence stars anyway, the relation has to do with fusion:
The total fuel supply of a star is proportional to its mass. The rate at which a star uses fuel is proportional to its luminosity. What we get (empirically) is something like [tex] R/R_{sun} = 1.06(M/M_{sun}) ^{0.945}, \ \ M < 1.66M_{sun}, [/tex] [tex] R/R_{sun} = 1.33(M/M_{sun}) ^{0.555}, \ \ M > 1.66M_{sun}, [/tex] [tex] L/L_{sun} = 0.35(M/M_{sun}) ^{2.62}, \ \ M < 0.7M_{sun}, [/tex] [tex] L/L_{sun} = 1.02(M/M_{sun}) ^{3.92}, \ \ M > 0.7M_{sun}. [/tex] Maybe you have seen the plots of these relationships. Anyway, from this you can also show how the lifetime of a star is also related to its mass. To go any further you have to build a stellar model. 


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Jan1310, 03:54 PM

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#4
Jan1310, 05:27 PM

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Mass of star as function of Luminosity, Temperature and size



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#6
Jan1410, 08:45 AM

P: 61

Ok, let me restate my question differently, since some variables aren't independant.
Luminosity is related to the Radius and Temperature according to the following formula : [tex]L(T, R) = 4 \pi \sigma R^2 T^4[/tex]. So, suppose we can measure the Luminosity and the surface Temperature alone (or the Radius and the Tempurature, or the Radius and the Luminosity). Then, can we deduce the Mass, for ANY star ? (not just in the Main Sequence stars. I'm excluding black holes and neutron stars.) If so, what are the formulae ? I guess the answer is that there are no such formulae, but I simply need a clear confirmation. 


#7
Jan1410, 10:37 AM

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In principle I think you can do this (and I believe stellar astronomers do) but I don't think there are simple formulae for it. The results come from simulations of stellar physics, so would be more in the form of a look up table that summarises the results of the simulations. Possibly there are relatively simplish formulas that fit the simulations results accurately, but I'm not aware of the details.
Note that there are other factors aside from the Luminosity and temperature, such as the metallicity, that so also need to be taken into account in order to get a good idea of the mass. I think there are some important cases where orbital periods of binary stars have been mapped out given a gravitaional mass. This gives an empirical way to test the results from simulations. 


#8
Jan1410, 02:21 PM

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As Wallace pointed out, we can approximate masses in multiple star system pretty well from the orbital velocities and period, especially if the system is edge on. 


#9
Jan1410, 04:36 PM

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There are in fact equations that "build" a star (i.e. give relations of Pressure with Mass with Luminosity with Temperature with Radius), but they happen to be coupled differential equations which is quite difficult to solve, especially if you don't know all the parameters.
These equations are also, at best, approximations which simplify the stellar model a ridiculous amount. The equations assume hydrostatic equilibrium, no convective instabilities, and a myriad of other things. In short they are: If you don't know what some of the symbols represent, just ask...but there's a lot of symbols so I won't be giving a full legend here. As you can see...it's pretty complicated already, even with all the assumptions inherent in this model. For a fullfledged stellar model, computer simulation is necessary. I am not aware of any simple relation such as M(L,T,R)=? I suppose you could just look at a few hundred thousand Main sequence stars, get their M, L, T, and R and get some empirical relations like those in posts above...that's probably the best way to go. 


#10
Jan1410, 08:33 PM

P: 61

Thanks for the explanations. Now it's clear that the relations I was looking for doesn't exist at all. Well, such is life !



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