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The discussion revolves around the properties and definitions of the linear product, specifically the dot product in the context of complex numbers. Participants explore the mathematical foundations and implications of the definition, as well as its relation to concepts in quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants assert that the relationship =* is a definition, but they seek to understand the reasoning behind it.
  • One participant explains the absolute value of complex numbers and its geometric interpretation, suggesting that the distance in the complex plane relates to the inner product.
  • Another participant highlights confusion regarding the placement of the complex conjugate outside the dot product notation.
  • A later reply connects the definition of the inner product to the algebraic abstraction of overlap integrals of wavefunctions, providing a mathematical expression for the inner product in terms of functions.

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A question about the "linear product"

Hi everyone;
As you know, we assume the answer of the dot product as a complex number: <a|b>

Also, we have the property: <a|b>=<b|a>*


I just want to know how can we say this, or is it just a definition?
Thanks a lot.
Somy :smile:
 
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First, of course, it IS a definition, but there is a reason for that specific definition.

The absolute value of a real number can be defined in two ways:
"algebraically" as |x|= sqrt(x*x) or
"geometrically" as the distance from x to 0 on the number line ("distance", of course, is always positive. The distance from 4 to 0 and the distance from -4 to 0 are both 4).

Extending to complex number, if we think of the number z= x+ iy as the point in the "complex plane" (x,y), then the distance from (x,y) to (0, 0) is sqrt(x2+ y2). This is NOT sqrt(z.z) but is sqrt(z.z*)= sqrt(<z, z>)
 
Thank HallsofIvy!
the answer was very usefull. but;
just see the exact equality:

<a|b>=<b|a>*
the * sign is out of the dot product.
IT is the thing that I can't understand.
Thamks in advance.
Somy
 
somy said:
<a|b>=<b|a>*
the * sign is out of the dot product.
IT is the thing that I can't understand.

The inner product is defined the way it is because it is an algebraic abstraction of overlap integrals of wavefunctions.

Look at the inner product in terms of functions:

[itex]\newcommand{\mean}[1]{{<\!\!{#1}\!\!>}}\newcommand{\braket}[2]{{<\!\!{#1|#2}\!\!>}}\newcommand{\braketop}[3]{{<\!\!{#1|\hat{#2}|#3}\!\!>}}\braket{\phi}{\psi} \equiv \int \phi^*(x) \psi(x)\,dx[/itex]

Take the complex conjugate of both sides, and it should be clear why <φ|ψ>*=<&psi;|&phi;>
 
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Thanks Tom;
YOU did it!
 

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