Quark Constituents: Scientists Figure Out & Recognize New Quarks

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The discussion revolves around how scientists determine the quark constituents of particles and recognize new quarks through experimental methods and theoretical frameworks. It encompasses topics such as deep inelastic scattering, quark confinement, and the complexities of quark mass calculations.

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  • Some participants describe deep inelastic scattering experiments as a method to probe the internal structure of protons by analyzing the resulting particles from high-energy collisions.
  • Others discuss the concept of quark confinement, noting that quarks are studied through baryons and mesons, with the requirement that color quantum numbers must sum to neutral.
  • There is a claim that single quarks have never been observed, leading to questions about how their masses are predicted, especially since the sum of quark masses does not equal the mass of the particles they compose.
  • Some participants argue that free single quarks are theorized to be impossible due to the binding energy being greater than the rest mass-energy of the quarks, necessitating the creation of new quarks to separate them.
  • One participant mentions that quark masses can vary under specific conditions, such as in the presence of monopole condensates in the QCD vacuum, affecting the effective mass based on quark momentum.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the binding energy between quarks contributes to the overall mass of particles like protons, complicating the relationship between quark masses and the mass of hadrons.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of quarks, their masses, and the implications of binding energy, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

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Limitations include the complexity of quark mass calculations, the dependence on specific conditions for mass variation, and the unresolved nature of how quark confinement affects experimental observations.

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how do scientists figure out the quark constituents of particles, and recognize new quarks when they do?
 
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To see what's inside a proton, you can do what are called "deep inelastic scattering" experiments, which involve smashing an electron into a proton with an enormous amount of energy, and watching where all the resulting bits of matter go. When you analyze the data of many such experiments, you can determine that there are small constituent particles inside the proton, which stay "solid" even while the proton itself is pretty much blasted completely apart.

Here's a good page for some introductory reading on how particle accelerators can be used to probe the structure of matter.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/scatsurv.html#c1

- Warren
 
daveed said:
how do scientists figure out the quark constituents of particles, and recognize new quarks when they do?



Quarks are studied by looking at baryons and mesons while keeping in mind that the colour-quantumnumbers all add up to "white", i.e. neutral. This is called the quark confinement.

Finding quarks experimentally was achieved in accelerator-experiments by looking at collisions and keeping in mind the energy conservation and momentum conservation. When you detect for example two particles after the collision and measure their momentum, it has to have the same value of the totel momentum before the collision. If this law is not obeyed, then extra new particles have to be introduced with momentumvalues that deliver the extra momentumquantity needed for the conservation law...

quarks were developed theoretically by the mathematical grouptheory applied in QFT. The socalled eightfold way.

Let me know if you need or want more info


regards marlon
 
i understand that single quarks have never been observed, anywhere. so how do they predict the masses, since the sum of the quarks masses don't add up to the particle's?
 
Free single quarks are theorized to be impossible. The binding energy of a pair of quarks is larger than the rest mass-energy of the quarks themselves. To pull them apart, you have to put it in enough energy to make new quarks. Thus, you never get isolated quarks.

The masses are currently very difficult to work out, but the only way I know of is to study a wide variety of hadrons (particles composed of quarks) of different quark composition and compare their characteristics.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
Free single quarks are theorized to be impossible. The binding energy of a pair of quarks is larger than the rest mass-energy of the quarks themselves. To pull them apart, you have to put it in enough energy to make new quarks. Thus, you never get isolated quarks.

The masses are currently very difficult to work out, but the only way I know of is to study a wide variety of hadrons (particles composed of quarks) of different quark composition and compare their characteristics.

- Warren


True story, besides keep in mind that this quantity called quark-mass does also alter when looked at in certain specific conditions. To exemplify : the mass of a quark-anti-quark-pair can change when this pair is put in the QCD-vacuum filled with monopole-condensates. i am talking about the dual vacuum here where the roles of magnetic and electric fields have been interchanged. The effective quarkmass depends on the quarkmomentum when we calcutate this quantity in euclidian field-theory. This mass really represents the "classical" correlationfunctoe between the two quarks. This means that the interaction between them two quarks can change depending on its speed. When the interaction changes due to a certain vacuum-background, so will the mass.

Offcourse when we are talking about restmass, which was the original idea I think. Then the vision of Warren is correct. Three quarks with certain restmass do not sum up to the total protonmass because there is binding-energy between the quarks (whatch it, as i stated before : it is this binding-energy that can alter depending on the vacuum-interactions of quarks). This binding-energy is taken into account to deliver the remaining necessary mass to constitute the whole proton-mass.

regards
marlon
 

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