Revisiting Einstein's Theory: Perspectives from Theoretical Scientists

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The discussion revolves around the remarks made by Paul Dirac regarding Einstein's theories, particularly focusing on the implications of infinities in theoretical physics and the potential for modifying General Relativity (GTR). Participants explore the relationship between theoretical elegance, symmetry, and the validity of existing theories in light of new ideas.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Dirac's view that infinities in a theory indicate a fundamental issue with the equations, suggesting that a good theory should not produce such infinities.
  • Others argue that Dirac's comments may be taken out of context and that his own work could be seen as flawed if interpreted literally.
  • There is a suggestion that Einstein's GTR was developed based on theoretical elegance and symmetry, which some participants defend as a valid approach in theoretical physics.
  • Some participants propose that it might be possible to modify Einstein's equations while still maintaining theoretical elegance and fitting observations.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that despite potential modifications, Einstein's equations currently provide the best explanation available for gravitational phenomena.
  • Concerns are raised about a participant's perceived issues with GTR, indicating a broader sentiment that such skepticism is common in the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Dirac's remarks and the validity of modifying Einstein's equations. There is no consensus on whether such modifications can coexist with the principles of elegance and symmetry, nor on the implications of infinities in theoretical frameworks.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying interpretations of Dirac's statements and the implications for theoretical physics, highlighting the complexity of reconciling new theories with established ones. The potential for modifications to GTR remains an open question, with no definitive resolution presented.

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Paul Dirac said that Einstein didn't need new experimental data to produce a new theory.And he also said that infinities should not appear in a theory
that is correct.What do people on theory development think about these remarks made by a man respected for the depth and clarity of his theories?
 
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This is out of context. If this was to be taken literally then Dirac's own work is reduced to being completely incorrect...

You got to stop with this sad crusade of yours against GTR, kurious...
Einstein built his GTR based upon theoretical elegance and symmetry. Isn't this THE procedure in theoretical fysics : YES

And one final note : shame on you and your INTERPRETATION of Dirac's "words" on these socalled infinities: Feynman would be turning himself in his grave and you should start renormalizing...

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marlon
 
Kurious:
Part of interview relating to infinities:

Interviewer:
Would you comment on the divergences and infinities which occur in quantum field theory? Many think that they can be removed by renormalization. Is this your feeling?

Dirac:
It's just a stop-gap procedure. There must be some fundamental change in our ideas, probably a change just as fundamental as the passage from Bohr's orbit theory to quantum mechanics. When you get a number turning out to be infinite which ought to be finite, you should admit that there is something wrong with your equations, and not hope that you can get a good theory just by doctoring up that number.

Interviewer:
Some people have suggested that by introducing curved space you can get rid of these infinities, Abdus Salam for example.

I know that he is working on that idea, but I feel that with a good theory these infinities would never arise in the first place.


Interview with Dirac:
http://www.fdavidpeat.com/interviews/dirac.htm

Marlon:
Einstein built his GTR based upon theoretical elegance and symmetry. Isn't this THE procedure in theoretical fysics : YES

Kurious:

This thread wasn't supposed to be about GTR!
And I agree with you about elegance and symmetry.
But it might be possible to modify Einstein's equations and still have both.
 
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kurious said:
And I agree with you about elegance and symmetry.
But it might be possible to modify Einstein's equations and still have both.
Sure, but it still has to fit observations.
 
You can modify the 'Einstein' equations all you want. Fact is, they still provide the best explanaiton we know of.
 
thank you chronos and russ, you guys are right.

I don't know kurious personally, but he has got some fundamental issues with Albert Einstein and GTR

marlon
 
marlon said:
I don't know kurious personally, but he has got some fundamental issues with Albert Einstein and GTR
That's actually a common thing around here. We attract them like moths to a flame somehow.
 

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