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| Feb27-10, 11:40 PM | #1 |
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Need help looking up thermal properties
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I'm trying to look up the specific enthalpy (h) at 4.8Mpa and 40 degrees celcius for water vapor/steam. It should be a saturated liquid. 3. The attempt at a solution I know the specific enthalpy should be ~171.78KJ/Kg but I can't for the life of me figure out how the text book example comes up with that. The value of specific enthalpy for a saturated liquid at 40ºC is 167.54KJ/Kg, obviously not quite right.. Any assistance would be great, probably a quick easy answer of something I'm missing / don't know. |
| Feb28-10, 12:39 AM | #2 |
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If it was stated that it is a saturated liquid then your enthalpy would just be the hf value at 40C or 4.8 MPa.
If they did not state that it was a liquid, you might need to find the quality, x, and find the enthalpy using the equation h=hf+xhfg |
| Feb28-10, 02:08 AM | #3 |
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Because it just came out of the pump and has yet to go into the boiler I know for a fact that the fluid is still a saturated liquid. As well as that piece of information, if you enter the 4.8/40º into an online thermo table it will tell you the enthalpy is 171.78 and the quality is N/A. This is an example out of the book, the auther just failed to explain how they arrived at this number. Online thermo calc for steam/water I found while trying to figure this out earlier.. 1bar=100kPa, so my pressure of interest is 48bar. http://www.steamtablesonline.com/steam97web.aspx Thanks for the quick reply! |
| Feb28-10, 12:34 PM | #4 |
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Need help looking up thermal properties
Oh you mean the point is outside of the curve if that is the case, then I think you need to use
dh=v dP [tex]\int_3 ^4 dh = \int_3 ^4 vdP[/tex] [tex]h_4 - h_3 = v_3 (P_4-P_3)[/tex] where v3 is the specific volume at 3 (vf). Try that. |
| Feb28-10, 02:05 PM | #5 |
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Substituting with that: [tex]h_4 - 167.54 = .001008(4800-7.384)[/tex] [tex]h_4=172.371KJ/Kg[/tex] Still not quite the 171.77 they have, but its a lot closer then what I found. I'm curious how the online thermo calculator goes about doing it.. |
| Feb28-10, 05:01 PM | #6 |
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I am not exactly sure how the calculators do it. That is how I learned to do the basic Rakine cycle. Point 4 was usually calculated using the formula I gave you. I do not know if the calculators use a different method or formula.
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