Quantum Physics: electron within the nucleus.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the smallest allowed energy of an electron confined within an atomic nucleus, specifically one with a diameter of 1.4x10^-14 meters. Participants are comparing this energy to the binding energies of protons and neutrons within the nucleus, questioning the feasibility of finding electrons in such a space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are considering various models, including the Bohr model and potential well concepts. There is discussion about using the Uncertainty Principle to relate the size of the nucleus to the momentum and kinetic energy of the electron. Some participants question the relevance of protons in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided insights into potential approaches, such as using the Uncertainty Principle and potential well models, while others express confusion about the assumptions needed for the calculations.

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There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions about the nucleus, including whether to consider it as a one proton nucleus and how to approach the calculation of potential energy. The original poster mentions a specific expected answer of 1900MeV, which may influence the direction of the discussion.

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Calculate the smallest allowed energy of an electron were trapped inside an atomic nucleus of diameter 1.4x10^-14 meters. Compare this number with the several MeV of energy binding protons and neutrons inside the nucleus. On this basis, should we expect to find electrons within the nucleus?




I'm experiencing some confusion regarding what this statement is asking.

Do I assume that the question pertains to a one proton nucleus, under the Bohr model? However it states energies between protons and neutrons so the Bohr model must not pertain to the question.

I can find the electric potential of the electron if I know how many protons are contained within the nucleus. Do I use:

r = roA1/3 to find the number of protons?

Thereafter use U = k q1*q2/r to find the potential. Is this how this is done.

The correct answer should be 1900MeV.

Thanks
 
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I think it has nothing to do with protons.

I think they just want you to use a 'potential well'. Meaning V(r) = 0 if r <= R, and V(r) = [oo] if r > R.
 
Originally posted by frankR
Calculate the smallest allowed energy of an electron were trapped inside an atomic nucleus of diameter 1.4x10^-14 meters.

OK

Do I assume that the question pertains to a one proton nucleus, under the Bohr model? However it states energies between protons and neutrons so the Bohr model must not pertain to the question.

No, I think this is a simple exercise in using the Uncertainty Principle. You have a &Delta;x (the size of the nucleus). From that you can calculate a &Delta;p, which is the smallest allowed momentum. From that you can calculate the smallest allowed KE.
 
Tom: You're correct, I got 1995MeV.:smile:
 

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