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Mar2810, 08:14 AM

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If the proposed Higgs field is a mechanism which "decelerates" certain particles (whereas not interacting with others), thus creating mass as we know it, would it follow from this that the field is also, ultimately, the source of gravity? If so, there seems to be a connection between gravity and time (time understood here as temporality/duration) which would ultimately make the Higgs boson a "time particle".
This idiosyncratic fixation has been circulating in my mind for some time now, and it would be nice to make it go somewhere else than the current "loop" which leads me nowhere. Thanks. 


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Mar2810, 01:29 PM

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The Higgs field does give other particles mass through direct coupling. Saying it 'decelerates' them isn't really correct. While massive particles gravitate, thereby motivating your argument that the Higgs field may ultimately be the gravitational field. However, even massless particles gravitate (eg deflection of light by massive bodies). Also, Einstein's General Relativity, the welltested and accepted modern theory of gravity requires that gravity be mediated by a spin 2 particle (the field must be a secondrank tensor). Meanwhile, the Higgs is a spin 0 particle (the field is a scalar), and so it does not possess the necessary degrees of freedom to generate the gravitational interaction as we observe it.
I'm a little confused why you suggested that the Higgs would be a "time particle". 


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Mar2810, 04:46 PM

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The Higgs Field
OK. But what does the Higgs field have to do with the speed of light? Gravity is not separate from time. The gravitational force is a manifestation of the geometry of spacetime  the 4dimensional fabric that makes up our universe.



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Mar2810, 05:00 PM

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If I understand this correctly, the Higgs field creates "cosmic treacle" by converting the "pure" energy of fast particles into mass by slowing them down. In doing so, the field not only creates the mass which we associate with gravity but also the temporal conditions we associate with existence. Consequently, I get the feeling that time and gravity may be two sides to the same coin.
Edited to add: I must shamefully admit that I have been corruped by the speculations of Ed Witten, so I don't really see the Minkowskidefined universe of General Relativity any longer, but rather a terrible kind of branebased infinity wherein time and gravity are inseparable properties of mass. 


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Mar2810, 05:17 PM

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But, your connection to time is intriguing, and I'd like to think more about that. 


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I think it an intriguing idea Max. It feels apt. I'm thinking of the fact that time apparently stops at the event horizon of a black hole, and the intimate relationships between gravity, constant acceleration and the square of time.



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@bapowell: Good thing we're subatomic sphaghetti by then, eh? 


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If I were falling into a really large BH, I could cross the event horizon without hardly noticing, or so I thought. If that were the case, then once inside I imagined the gradients would be small enough that I could putter around in my little rocket as much as I wanted, I just could never get outside (as you say). But would I have to move inexorably toward the center? If I am outside the EH, I can slow the march along the t axis by moving faster along r. If I had infinite energy, I could stop my motion completely along t. Are the conditions inside EH just the reverse (substitute r for t) or is this whole thing just an absurd conjecture based on unknown (to me anyway) physics? 


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Apr1710, 11:53 AM

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It's not a matter of gradients. Inside the black hole horizon, timelike vectors become spacelike, and spacelike vectors become timelike. You can no easier move spatially away from the singularity as you can move backwards in time outside the even horizon. You inevitably move towards the singularity.



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