Who Is Described in the Scientist's Letter?

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The discussion revolves around a trivia quiz featuring questions related to historical figures, scientific concepts, and cultural references. Participants engage with various questions, attempting to identify individuals and connections based on provided clues, while also sharing hints and playful banter.

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  • Participants discuss a letter from a scientist describing a person, with some identifying the individual as J.J. Thompson, attributed to Rutherford.
  • One participant suggests that the unnamed physicist in a question about Gamow's paper is Hans Bethe.
  • Another participant proposes that the prolific genius using a peculiar language is Paul Erdős.
  • There is a question about fictional creatures blamed for aircraft malfunctions during WWII, with one participant suggesting "Gremlins."
  • Participants explore connections between historical figures such as Lord Byron, Blaise de Vigenere, Sir Charles Wheatstone, and Alfred Lord Tennyson, with various guesses and clarifications offered.
  • One participant mentions the significance of Jornada del Muerto in relation to the Trinity test of the first atomic bomb.
  • Hints and playful exchanges occur, with participants challenging each other's guesses and interpretations.

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There is no consensus on several trivia questions, particularly regarding the connections between historical figures and the specific identities of individuals mentioned. Multiple competing views and guesses remain throughout the discussion.

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Look out for the "Connections" trivia quiz, soon to appear under the Quizzes category. Heck, that felt cheap ! :biggrin:

Rules :

# no googling
# only one question per person until otherwise announced - now a free-for-all




A reminder : Please read the rules



Q1. The following is from a letter written by a scientist, to his fiancee in New Zealand : "He's very pleasant in coversation, and he's not fossilized at all. As regards appearance, he's a medium sized man, dark and quite youthful still - shaves very badly and wears his hair rather long."

Name the person being described in the letter ?


Q2. Early during WWII, the RAF suffered a large number of inexplicable aircraft and systems malfunctions. The hapless RAF pilots soon conjured up a fictional creature which they blamed for the malfunctions. The stories grew and soon these creatures would be described as "a foot high, wearing pointed shoes."

What were these creatures called ?


Q3. Who, or what, connects the following : Lord Byron, Blaise de Vigenere, Sir Charles Wheatstone, Alfred Lord Tennyson ?


Q4. Jornada del Muerto (Journey of the Dead Man) is a valley near the Rio Grande river in the US. The name was coined by the Conquistadors in the mid-1600s describing a harsh and rugged territory along the northward route from New Spain (Mexico).

Nearly three centuries later, the name of this valley took on a special meaning. Why ?


Q5. In 1948, George Gamow published a paper on Cosmogenesis with his PhD student, Ralph Alpher - actually this was a synthesis of Alpher's dissertation. For a very strange reason Gamow asked a famous nuclear physicist if he (Gamow) could add his (the other physicist's) name to the paper. Since he had done no work on this paper, the physicist initially refused, but eventually gave in on Gamow's insistence.

Who's the unnamed physicist ?


Q6. This prolific genius used his own peculiar language. Here are some words with their meanings :

Supreme Fascist = God
Epsilon = child, little kid
Joe = USSR (Joseph Stalin)
Sam = USA (Uncle Sam)
Sam & Joe Show = International News
Boss = woman
Slave = man

A tribute to his prolificity is that other researchers in his area get identified through a number named after him indicating degrees of co-authorship separation.

Who ?
 
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Q5. In 1948, George Gamow published a paper on Cosmogenesis with his PhD student, Ralph Alpher - actually this was a synthesis of Alpher's dissertation. For a very strange reason Gamow asked a famous nuclear physicist if he (Gamow) could add his (the other physicist's) name to the paper. Since he had done no work on this paper, the physicist initially refused, but eventually gave in on Gamow's insistence.

Who's the unnamed physicist ?

Hans Bethe

Alpher-Bethe-Gamow
 
Gokul43201 said:
Look out for the "Connections" trivia quiz, soon to appear under the Quizzes category. Heck, that felt cheap ! :biggrin:

Rules :

# no googling
# only one question per person until otherwise announced



Q6. This prolific genius used his own peculiar language. Here are some words with their meanings :

Supreme Fascist = God
Epsilon = child, little kid
Joe = USSR (Joseph Stalin)
Sam = USA (Uncle Sam)
Sam & Joe Show = International News
Boss = woman
Slave = man

A tribute to his prolificity is that other researchers in his area get identified through a number named after him indicating degrees of co-authorship separation.

Who ?

Paul Erdos
 
Q2. Gremlins?
 
Drat ! 3 correct answers within 4 minutes of each other ! :eek: Naw fair u folks ! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
 
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1. I know it was Rutherford who wrote that letter. I remember reading it in one of Pais's books. I believe he was talking about J.J. Thompson.
 
You believe right.

That leaves two toughies...Q3 & Q4 ! :biggrin:
 
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The New Mexico question would be a [CENSORED FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY] for me to answer, but you have restricted us to one each.
 
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Janitor, you're giving hints here...would you mind editing that before others see it ?

y stuid keyoard just went onkers - it won't let me use the letters , , or . Dan ! It's tie I chucked it and ought yself a new one. Till then I'll just have to e very selective with y choice of words. Okay, I can get m, b and p by cutting and pasting - it's too painful :cry:
 
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Q3 They're all dead? (That's a "what"-connection..)
 
  • #11
they all did research on bounded harmonic functions...well, not really :biggrin:
 
  • #12
Q3. Who, or what, connects the following : Lord Byron, Blaise de Vigenere, Sir Charles Wheatstone, Alfred Lord Tennyson ?
Ada Lovelace?

My second guess, which I'm a good deal more sure of is: None of them have appeared on Wheaties boxes...
 
  • #13
arildno, they're also all male...how did u miss that ? :wink:

Q3. Okay there's been one really good/lucky guess for this question...well you know which one it is ! :wink:

The idea with this type of question is that there need not be only one correct answer. If you find a 'who/what' that is related to the given people and you can explain the relationships to my satisfaction...you get a score.

For instance, arildno found one such 'what' and explained the relationship - only, I wasn't satisfied.

So, for the others that have had a go at Q3...if you can explain all the relationships, let's see it !
 
  • #14
arildno, I'll call your guess a 'clarification'. So you still have a shot to take...if you want it.
 
  • #15
Oh, I clarified something, did I?
I remain thoroughly mystified, unless Q4 has something to do with area 51 or Roswell
 
  • #16
Okay, not a 'clarification', but a 'request for one'.

I have clarified that the connection must be non-trivial (also read non-obvious) - if not, I'm doing it now.

And no, it's not Area-51.
 
  • #17
I'll take a pot-shot:3. they were all members of the romantic movement?
 
  • #18
No jcsd,

Vigenere is from the 16th century.

And even if they were, I'd be looking for something a lot more specific. For instance, arildno's 'dead' includes most people we've heard of. My counter of 'male' covers about half the people we know. Even 'members of the Romantic Movement', I consider to be too large a group of people - too many famous Europeans from the early 1800s were associated with the Romantic Movement.

As an example, if I asked for the connection between Avon, Julius Caesar, Globe and Francis Bacon, the answer would be ...
.
.
.
-->Shakespeare.

If I asked for the connection between J.D Salinger, Francis Ford Coppola, and The Rock, the answer would be...
.
.
.
.
yes, --->Nicholas Cage.
 
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  • #19
Aargh, it's difficult, but not too difficult, it's just me not being able to solve them.

Nor can I complain about anything else than that the unknown "Erdos" was accepted rather than the genius Erdös..
 
  • #20
The answer to Q4 is, it was the site of the Trinity test of the first atomic bomb.
 
  • #21
Right you are, sA ! :smile:


LAST Q STANDING : Q3 - Free for all, starting now ! But take only one guess.

Here's an additional hint. Somebody came incredibly close . . .
 
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  • #22
"Cherchez le femme"??
 
  • #23
q3: poetry?
 
  • #24
Not 'poetry', unless you have an explanation.

Quelle femme ? Je ne sais pas.

Am i going to actually have to give you the answer ? I'll wait another day...
 
  • #25
Okay, I think people have given up on this or just gone to sleep, or decided to bungee jump, or whatever...so I'm releasing the final answer.

Actually, here's the complete set of solutions :

Q1. The following is from a letter written by a scientist, to his fiancee in New Zealand : "He's very pleasant in coversation, and he's not fossilized at all. As regards appearance, he's a medium sized man, dark and quite youthful still - shaves very badly and wears his hair rather long."

Name the person being described in the letter ?

J. J. Thompson - letter written by Rutherford - 'New Zealand' was the give away


Q2. Early during WWII, the RAF suffered a large number of inexplicable aircraft and systems malfunctions. The hapless RAF pilots soon conjured up a fictional creature which they blamed for the malfunctions. The stories grew and soon these creatures would be described as "a foot high, wearing pointed shoes."

What were these creatures called ?

Gremlins - the creatures on which the 1984 John Dante/Chris Columbus Horror/Comedy flick was based


Q3. Who, or what, connects the following : Lord Byron, Blaise de Vigenere, Sir Charles Wheatstone, Alfred Lord Tennyson ?

It's Charles Babbage - Byron's daughter, Ada Lovelace was Babbage's assistant;

Babbage was the first to crack the Vigenere Cipher;

Wheatstone & Babbage were close buddies, often spending weekeds together decrypting private messages in the 'personals' columns of local newspapers...along with Lyon Playfair, the 3 created the Playfair Cipher;

Babbage once sent Tennyson a letter complaining about lines in a poem that went "Every moment dies a man, Every moment one is born". Babbage wrote "...if this were true, the population of the world would be at a standstill...I would suggest in the next edition of your poem, you have it read 'Every moment dies a man, Every moment one and one-sixteenth is born'."

Was this too tough ? Quite Google-unfriendly too, I'd imagine :
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=byron+tennyson+vigenere+wheatstone&btnG=Search


Q4. Jornada del Muerto (Journey of the Dead Man) is a valley near the Rio Grande river in the US. The name was coined by the Conquistadors in the mid-1600s describing a harsh and rugged territory along the northward route from New Spain (Mexico).

Nearly three centuries later, the name of this valley took on a special meaning. Why ?

This was the site of the Trinity Test - the culmination of the Manhattan Project - where the first atom bomb was detonated.


Q5. In 1948, George Gamow published a paper on Cosmogenesis with his PhD student, Ralph Alpher - actually this was a synthesis of Alpher's dissertation. For a very strange reason Gamow asked a famous nuclear physicist if he (Gamow) could add his (the other physicist's) name to the paper. Since he had done no work on this paper, the physicist initially refused, but eventually gave in on Gamow's insistence.

Who's the unnamed physicist ?

Hans Bethe - So, the author list reads Alpher, Bethe, Gamow - a pun on alpha, beta, gamma. Just another example of Gamow's humor.


Q6. This prolific genius used his own peculiar language. Here are some words with their meanings :

Supreme Fascist = God
Epsilon = child, little kid
Joe = USSR (Joseph Stalin)
Sam = USA (Uncle Sam)
Sam & Joe Show = International News
Boss = woman
Slave = man

A tribute to his prolificity is that other researchers in his area get identified through a number named after him indicating degrees of co-authorship separation.

Who ?

Paul Erdös - If you have co-authored a paper with Erdös, you get an Erdös Number of 1. If you have co-authored with someone who's co-authored with Erdös, your Number is 2...and so on... Nobody, save Euler, has published as many papers in the field.
 
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I had no hope of finding Q3, so I googled it :devil: :-p
I never intended to cheat, because I did not want to post the answer. The thing is : google could not find the answer :surprise: :surprise:

Gokul knows more than Google :bugeye: :bugeye: :cool:
Congratulations Gokul, your trivia are excellent Thanks again !
 
  • #27
They are superb!
(Just a sin of omission: If you have Erdös number 0, you're a renowned, but dead mathematician with the name..)
 
  • #28
Well, if you put all 4 names in you would not get the result (though you would get a hit for this thread :wink: )

However, "Byron" + "Wheatstone" OR "Byron" + "Vigenere" would have worked.

humanino, thanks for the praise (not flattery, I hope) :smile:

I've just submitted a short Quiz, based on the format of this very troublesome Q3. It should be up today or tomorrow. I believe it's giving Chroot a few headaches (making him have to change the script to accommodate some unusualness) right now ! I really never considered myself a trouble-maker, you know ! :devil:
 
  • #29
arildno said:
They are superb!
(Just a sin of omission: If you have Erdös number 0, you're a renowned, but dead mathematician with the name..)

Thanks arildno ! (what was that about the woman, by the way?)

I wasn't aware of the trivial case - but seems like a fitting extension to the system; like the need for making 0! = 1)
 
  • #30
Well, to be honest, I thought like this:
"Ok, he said someone was incredibly close; that's probably the Ada Lovelace answer.
Now, it would defy all odds that the answer is Babbage (besides, I didn't manage to hook Babbage up to any of the mentioned persons), so it's probably some woman.."
(It's true I DID think of Babbage, but dismissed him :cry: )
 

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