Can Substitution Simplify the Integral of (x + arcsin(x)) / sqrt(1-x^2)?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the expression (x + arcsin(x)) / sqrt(1 - x^2). Participants explore various substitution methods and techniques for simplifying the integral, including integration by parts and splitting the integral into simpler components. The conversation includes both theoretical and practical considerations regarding the integration process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the substitution u = (x + arcsin(x)), but encounters difficulties with the resulting differential.
  • Another participant points out that if u = x + arcsin(x), then the differential du includes an additional term, which may complicate the substitution.
  • A suggestion is made to split the integral into two parts, referencing the derivative of arcsin(x) as a potential simplification.
  • Galileo provides an expression for the integral, indicating that while one part is straightforward, the other is complex and lacks a standard result.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier reasoning, agreeing with another's correction regarding the integrand's form.
  • There is a query about the possibility of using integration by parts (UV - Integra), with responses indicating that both integrals could be simplified through substitution.
  • A later post explains a method for handling integrals of the form gf(x) * a * f'(x) using substitution, suggesting that this could apply to the integrals discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of various substitution methods and integration techniques. There is no consensus on a single approach to solving the integral, and multiple competing methods are proposed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the complexity of the integrals involved and the potential for confusion regarding the correct application of substitution methods. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of the integrand's form and the derivatives involved.

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Int (x+ arcsin (x))/(sqrt(1-x^2))

It's not working when I put U = (x+ arcsin (x)) and dU= 1/(sqrt(1-x^2)
Is there anyway to solve it?

Thanks
 
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If u = x + arcsin(x), then du = (1 + 1/sqrt(1 - x^2))dx. Maybe that's why it "isn't working".
 
Split the integral and remember (or look up) the derivative of arcsin(x)
 
As Galileo says:

[tex]\int \frac{x + \arcsin x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}} dx = \int \frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}} dx + \int \frac{\arcsin x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}}dx[/tex]

Which makes the former integral of that quite easy, however the latter integral is of the form [itex]f(x) / f'(x)[/itex] which has no standard result. Although it does have a solution it is very long and extremely complex, are you sure this is the integral you were given?
 
Zurtex said:
As Galileo says:

[tex]\int \frac{x + \arcsin x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}} dx = \int \frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}} dx + \int \frac{\arcsin x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}}dx[/tex]

Which makes the former integral of that quite easy, however the latter integral is of the form [itex]f(x) / f'(x)[/itex] which has no standard result. Although it does have a solution it is very long and extremely complex, are you sure this is the integral you were given?

The integrand is [tex]\frac{\arcsin x}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}}[/tex]
with a minus sign, so the integrand has the form [itex]f(x)f'(x)[/itex] :smile:
 
I'm really sorry, I don't know where my mind went, your totally right.
 
Can I do it with UV - Integra (VdU)
 
cristina said:
Can I do it with UV - Integra (VdU)
Your probably can but both the integrals are simple substiutions.
 
can you explain more pls?
 
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Whenever you have an integral of the form:

[tex]\int gf(x) * a * f'(x) dx[/tex]

Where 'a' is some constant, then if you use the substitution [itex]u = f(x)[/itex] you get:

[tex]du = f'(x)dx[/tex]

[tex]a \int g(u) du[/tex]

You can do this quite easily with both your integrals to get fairly easy integrals.
 

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