Quantum gravity theory will become falsifiable?

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The discussion centers on the falsifiability of quantum gravity theories, specifically string theory and loop quantum gravity (LQG). Critics argue that both theories currently lack experimental predictions, but recent advancements in observational astronomy, particularly with GLAST planned for 2007, may provide critical tests for LQG. Smolin's scenarios indicate that certain quantum gravity approaches have already been ruled out based on empirical evidence, particularly from synchrotron radiation observations of the Crab Nebula. The next few years are crucial for testing LQG, especially regarding the speed of light variations in high-energy gamma-ray events.

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When do you people think an actual quantum gravity theory will become falsifiable? I know that a big criticism of string theory right now is that it can't make any experimental predictions, but as far as I know, loop quantum gravity can't either. I was wondering what your guesses are for when there will be ways to test quantum gravity theories?
 
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Curious6 said:
When do you people think an actual quantum gravity theory will become falsifiable?...

to get a sense of the time-table look at
http://arxiv.org/hep-th/0408048 pages 27 and 28

look at Smolin's scenario A and scenario B
some quantum gravity approaches ( type A versions )
have essentially been ruled out----see Smolin's points 4,5,and 6 on
page 28

Some close relatives of Loop have already been casualties of
the testing process-----observations performed on synchrotron
radiation from the Crab Nebula were especially important.
An important paper in shooting down these variants of QG
was is cited [130] by Smolin.

http://arxiv.org/astro-ph/0212190

So LQG, and closely allied approaches, have taken some hits and
some possible QG has already been weeded out.

More stringent tests particularly on the Type B side now are in progress
or planned for near term. Smolin gives some idea what to expect over next 4 or 5 years based on what is going up. GLAST is planned for 2007
and that will be extremely important for LQG----just pray the budget is not cut!

It is just an urban myth that LQG does not make testable predictions and is not already guiding experiment------it's just that the experimental programs which it guides, and which are designed to shoot down one or more assumptions or constrain one or more parameters, are astronomical observation programs.

If GLAST flies as planned, and if it does not see tiny differences in speed of light, depending on gammaray energies, showing up after the light has traveled a billion lightyears or so, this will be tough for LQG to cope with
and will falsify somebody's favorite version which predicts such slight variantions.

After they both travel a billion LY, the more energetic of two photons is just a teensy bit out ahead of the other. But the effect is too small to observe unless the photon energy is very high (gammaray bursts, collapse of neutron stars, collision of neutron stars, very violent events)

Neutron stars are the flint that makes the spark that maybe let's you see a discrepancy. Well that's a way to test LQG and that's the plan.
Better have a careful look at "Invitation to LQG", the above link
 
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If gravity probe b returns a null result won't that be major
constraint on most theories presently accepted?
 

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