Wilson Loop & Spin Network in Physics: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of Wilson loops and spin networks in the context of quantum gravity, specifically Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG). Participants seek definitions and physical interpretations of these terms, as well as clarification on the meaning of "loop" in LQG.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests clear definitions and physical meanings of Wilson loops and spin networks.
  • Another participant suggests a paper by Carlo Rovelli as a valuable resource for understanding quantum gravity, indicating that their own understanding is limited.
  • A third participant shares a link to a shorter paper discussing LQG and its competition with string theory, highlighting the disparity in the number of related publications.
  • One participant expresses a desire for elaboration on Penrose and spin networks, indicating a lack of clarity on the topic.
  • A participant provides a mathematical definition of the Wilson loop from a specific source, describing it as a functional integral representing parallel transport along a closed loop.
  • Another participant shares a link for further reading on spin networks, but does not provide a detailed explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interest in the topics, but there is no consensus on the definitions or implications of Wilson loops and spin networks. Multiple viewpoints and resources are shared, indicating ongoing exploration rather than settled agreement.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference external papers and resources, suggesting that definitions and interpretations may depend on specific contexts or perspectives within the broader field of quantum gravity.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in quantum gravity, theoretical physics, and the mathematical frameworks used in these areas, particularly those seeking to understand Wilson loops and spin networks.

marlon
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Hi, can anyone give me a clear definition of the following two things

1) Wilson loop
2) Spin network (invented by Penrose, right?)

What do these quantities fysically mean?

PS : can anyone explain me what the term LOOP means in Loop quantum gravity. To what does it refer ?

regards
marlon
 
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Hey Marlon !

Very interesting issues...that I don't want to pretend I undestand though :wink: But I want to advise you a very good paper on quantum gravity by Carlo Rovelli. This is an entire book, whose draft version is available at :
http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/~rovelli/rovelli.html

Anything I could say would be more accurate in this paper. Enjoy ! :-p
 
humanino said:
Hey Marlon !

Very interesting issues...that I don't want to pretend I undestand though :wink: But I want to advise you a very good paper on quantum gravity by Carlo Rovelli. This is an entire book, whose draft version is available at :
http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/~rovelli/rovelli.html

Anything I could say would be more accurate in this paper. Enjoy ! :-p

grazie, humanino

how is life out there in Paris?
 
je vous en prie Marlon, c'est mon plaisir

Another (shorter) paper
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Loop_quantum_gravity
where one can read :
As a theory of quantum gravity, LQG is the main competitor of string theory, albeit a distant one: stringy people outnumber loopy people by a factor of roughly 10 and stringy papers outnumber loopy papers by a factor of roughly 50.

Should this move to another forum (LQG !)?
 
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marlon said:
how is life out there in Paris?
I took one week out of my thesis. Back to Switzerland Jura ! This is also how I come to have time to read useless things such as LQG :-p

Could someone elaborate on Penrose and spin network ? :confused:
 
I give here the definition of the Wilson loop given by Zinn-Justin in his "QFT & Critical phenomena"

section 33.3 "Wilson's loop and confinement" (p735)
[tex]W(C)=\left\langle e^{-ie \oint_{C} A_\mu(s) ds_\mu } \right\rangle[/tex]
with C a closed loop in space-time. This is a functional integral, and represents the parrallel transporter along the closed loop.

As for spin network :
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Spin_network
 
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