Is Time Travel Backwards Theoretically Possible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the theoretical possibility of backward time travel, exploring various concepts, paradoxes, and models related to time travel in physics. Participants examine ideas from general relativity, hypothetical constructs like van Stokum's cylinder, and the implications of time travel on causality and paradoxes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about the theoretical basis for backward time travel, questioning the implications of exceeding the speed of light.
  • One participant mentions Ronald Mallett's experiment as a potential avenue for time travel, suggesting a connection to practical applications.
  • Another participant raises concerns about paradoxes associated with time travel, specifically referencing the Grandfather paradox and its implications for causality.
  • A participant discusses the concept of closed time-like paths associated with van Stokum's cylinder, proposing that orbiting such a cylinder could allow for backward time travel.
  • There is mention of Kip Thorne and Stephen Hawking's conjectures regarding time travel, including the Time Protection Conjecture, which suggests that any time machine would self-destruct upon attempted use for backward travel.
  • Some participants reference the idea that quantum mechanics might offer solutions to paradoxes, such as the creation of parallel universes when altering past events.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of backward time travel, with multiple competing views and unresolved questions regarding the implications and mechanics of such travel.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding, particularly regarding the complex mathematics and theories of general relativity related to time travel. There are also references to specific theoretical constructs that may not be widely accepted or understood.

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Time travel??

I was wondering if its actually theoretically possible to travel back in time. I know its possible to "travel to the future" because of time dilation, but I just don't understand what the deal is with traveling back in time. I've heard many times since I was a little boy, that going faster than the speed of light would make time run backwards. Can anyone tell me why this would happen? :smile:
 
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ArmoSkater87 said:
I was wondering if its actually theoretically possible to travel back in time. I know its possible to "travel to the future" because of time dilation, but I just don't understand what the deal is with traveling back in time. I've heard many times since I was a little boy, that going faster than the speed of light would make time run backwards. Can anyone tell me why this would happen? :smile:
http://www.geocities.com/zcphysicsms/chap12.htm#BM12_3
http://www.geocities.com/zcphysicsms/chap3.htm#BM26
 
Von Stokum's Cylinder

If you can get yourself there, and where this is located, what potential lies in its function?

Does such a place exist? Look up Ronalds Mallets experiment. A true patriot of Time Travel. :smile:
 
of you want to travel back intime, you do have to travel with speed exceeding c. This in itseld if an impossibility because no object with and mass can reach the speed of light, let alone surpass it. Also traveling back in time causes a bumch of paradoxes. Let's say you travel back in time and kill yourself when you were younger, what happens to you. Do you die imidiatelly or do you stil live on, time traveling around like Mr. Peabody.
 
My favourite paradox is brought up in the short story, "All You Zombies" by Robert Heinlein. If time travel back in time was possible, then even if it turns out you can't change to past, only fulfill it, the story points out how someone could end up having no history...they're their own mother, father, daughter, and son!
 
Why a Cylinder?

http://www.walterzeichner.com/thezfiles/time2.gif

A time machine based on an immense cylinder spinning at near-light speed. The physicist W. J. van Stokum realized in 1937 that such an object would effectively stir spacetime as if it were treacle, dragging it along as the cylinder turned. What van Stokum didn't realize is that circumnavigating such a cylinder can lead to closed time-like paths. Anyone orbiting the cylinder in the direction of the spin would be caught in the current and, from the perspective of a distant observer, exceed the speed of light and thus travel back in time. Circling the cylinder in the other direction with just the right trajectory would project the subject into the future. The van Stokum time machine is based on the Lense-Thiring effect and uses ordinary matter but of enormous density - many orders of magnitude greater than that of nuclear matter.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/V/vanStokum_cylinder.html

Weak gravitational field of the electromagnetic radiation

Ronald L. Mallett Department of Physics, 2152 Hillside Road and UniÍersity of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269, USA Received 19 January 2000; accepted 3 April 2000 Communicated by P.R. Holland


Abstract
The gravitational field due to the circulating flow of electromagnetic radiation of a unidirectional ring laser is found by solving the linearized Einstein field equations at any interior point of the laser ring. The general relativistic spin equations are then used to study the behavior of a massive spinning neutral particle at the center of the ring laser. It is found that the particle exhibits the phenomenon known as inertial frame-dragging. q2000 Elsevier Science B.V. All rights reserved.

http://temporology.bio.msu.ru/EREPORTS/mallett.pdf
 
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Kip Thorne and Hawking have a bet on traveling back in time.


What's that conjecture... um... the Time Protection Conjecture or something. Basically any time machine would destroy itself the instant you tried to use it to travel back in time. Something like that.
 
DW said:

Thanks for the links. It was interesting, but unfortunately talked about time travel assosiated with GR, which was a little over my head. :confused:

Nenad said:
of you want to travel back intime, you do have to travel with speed exceeding c. This in itseld if an impossibility because no object with and mass can reach the speed of light, let alone surpass it. Also traveling back in time causes a bumch of paradoxes. Let's say you travel back in time and kill yourself when you were younger, what happens to you. Do you die imidiatelly or do you stil live on, time traveling around like Mr. Peabody.

Very true, this is better known as the Grandfather paradox. But quantum mechanics has a theoretical solution to it...if you went back in time and killed your grandfather before he fathered your father, then you would create a parallel universe to the one you traveled from. In one universe your grandfather was murdered by you, in the other, he's alive.

sol said:
http://www.walterzeichner.com/thezfiles/time2.gif


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A time machine based on an immense cylinder spinning at near-light speed. The physicist W. J. van Stokum realized in 1937 that such an object would effectively stir spacetime as if it were treacle, dragging it along as the cylinder turned. What van Stokum didn't realize is that circumnavigating such a cylinder can lead to closed time-like paths. Anyone orbiting the cylinder in the direction of the spin would be caught in the current and, from the perspective of a distant observer, exceed the speed of light and thus travel back in time. Circling the cylinder in the other direction with just the right trajectory would project the subject into the future. The van Stokum time machine is based on the Lense-Thiring effect and uses ordinary matter but of enormous density - many orders of magnitude greater than that of nuclear matter.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encycl...m_cylinder.html

Very interesting, to say the least.

whydoyouwanttoknow said:
Kip Thorne and Hawking have a bet on traveling back in time.


What's that conjecture... um... the Time Protection Conjecture or something. Basically any time machine would destroy itself the instant you tried to use it to travel back in time. Something like that.

Oh, I had no idea. Last I remember, Hawking said you can time travel, but not farther than the time your time machine was built. Or in other cases, where you use black holes, you couldn't go back farther than when the black hole was formed.
 
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