Is the nature of space and time still a mystery?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of space and time, exploring whether it is fully understood or still a mystery. Participants express curiosity about the fundamental characteristics of these concepts and the implications of various theories in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the exact nature of space and time is known, suggesting that it remains unclear.
  • One participant proposes that space/time could be a volume reflecting various types of energy, indicating a preference for a specific model.
  • Another participant references the holographic principle, suggesting that mass may occupy area rather than volume, which could imply a holographic nature of the universe.
  • Concerns are raised about the understanding of geometry at both large and small scales, with uncertainty about the shape of the universe and the behavior of space under extreme conditions.
  • Participants discuss the lack of a proposed mechanism for why gravity bends space, despite having equations that describe this phenomenon.
  • There is acknowledgment that while theories like special relativity and general relativity are significant, new theories such as string theory and holographic theory are emerging, complicating the understanding of space and time.
  • Some participants assert that the only valid answers to the question of whether the nature of space and time is known are "yes" and "no," with a prevailing sentiment that "no" is the more likely response.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the nature of space and time is not completely understood, but multiple competing views and theories remain. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the topic, indicating that it is still an open question.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the understanding of space and time, highlighting limitations in current theories and the need for further exploration at both large and small scales.

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Is the exact nature of space and time known to us yet?
 
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Curious6 said:
Is the exact nature of space and time known to us yet?
What is the point of this question?
 
Just to spark a discussion. I would just like to know more about the nature of these two entities.
 
Curious6 said:
Is the exact nature of space and time known to us yet?
Just offhand, what do you guess is the answer to your question?
 
Haha, I have no idea, that is why I'm asking.
 
OK, I admit that this may sound as a silly question.
 
I think it's a valid question.

Is it a form of ether?
Is it a pure vacuum that various forms of energy pass though?
Is it something else?

I vote for number three.

I think space/time is a volume that reflects the various types of energy within.

If I've been a badboy for making this statement, just send me to TD.
 
"If entropy of ordinary mass (not just black holes) is also proportional to area, then this implies that volume itself is somehow illusory: that mass occupies area, not volume, and so the universe is really a hologram which is isomorphic to the information "inscribed" on its boundaries [Bekenstein]."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

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Curious6 said:
Is the exact nature of space and time known to us yet?

clearly it is not known

one way to interpret the question is to say "Do we know how to do geometry at all scales?"

People are not certain how to do geometry, I think, at very large scales because they do not confidently understand the shape of the universe.
No simple answer about what space was like a very long time ago---and so on---or how it curves if you go very far out in distance.

People are also not sure how to do geometry at very small scales.
It is difficult to see how to probe these very small scales, so as to discover if space is like what we experience at ordinary scale, or something different.

Perhaps also you could say people lack understanding of nature of space and time because they do not understand why it is bent by concentrations of mass and energy. Why should gravity bend space? One has the equation that says how it is bent, but no proposed mechanism to explain it.

to me the first obstacle seems to me that we lack understanding of spacetime at very small scales---the rest I would not want to worry about until the boundary of ignorance at microscopic scales is pushed back some more. but that is just a personal view

getting rid of the singularities of the Big Bang and Black Hole is one step in the direction of dealing with small scale, hopefully
 
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No, I do not think the nature of space and time is completely understood. I feel that the theory of special relativity and general relativity are defenately a step in the right direction, but there are so many new theories coming out that have potential for describing the universe (i.e. string theory, holographic theory, etc.), that it is too early for me to decide if we have a definitve answer.
 
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force5 said:
I think it's a valid question.

I vote for number three.
The only valid answers to this question are yes and no, and I don't think that anyone will answer with yes.
 

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