Can We Cool, Without Increasing Warming?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of using near-freezing water from Lake Ontario to cool buildings in Toronto as a method to reduce reliance on traditional air conditioning and lower CO2 emissions. Participants explore the potential environmental impacts on the lake's ecosystem and the overall effectiveness of this cooling method in the context of global warming.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights concerns about whether channeling cold water from Lake Ontario could alter the lake's temperature and potentially harm its ecosystem, such as causing algal overgrowth.
  • Another participant argues that the heat contributed by the buildings may not have a significant practical effect on the lake's temperature.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the loss of the cold water layer in the lake could lead to increased heat, raising questions about the thermal dynamics involved.
  • One participant explains that the heat from buildings will seek equilibrium, implying that the lake water will either absorb heat from the incoming water or from the air, leading to a minimal overall temperature change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the environmental impact of the cooling method and the extent to which it might affect Lake Ontario's ecosystem. There is no consensus on whether the proposed solution will have significant negative consequences or if the heat contribution is negligible.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the assumptions regarding the lake's thermal dynamics or the specific ecological impacts, leaving some questions unresolved about the long-term effects of this cooling method.

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This has to do with global warming, and a new solution to cooling buildings in Toronto. I read today where the near freezing water from the bottom of Lake Ontario will be channeled into large buildings in Toronto to cool them, thereby decreasing the need for traditional, air conditioning, and a decrease in CO2 emissions, and etc.

This sounded great, but they are still warming the world, and then maybe Lake Ontario as well. I presume the water will go back into the lake on the top or the heat will rise to the top, but will they alter the temperature of the lake by this means and cause algin overgrowth, or change the bottom environment on the lake to the extent that negative things occur? The lake is large, but that freezing core of it has surely something that it supports. Here is the article.

http://www.enwave.com/enwave/dlwc/
 
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I don't think the amount of heat being contributed by the buildings will be enought to have any practical effect.
 
I was thinking inversely, I guess, what about increased heat in the lake, from loss of cold water layer in the bottom.
 
The heat from the buildings whether released directly into the water or into the air, will still try and find equilibrium, so the water of the lake will either absorb heat from the incoming water or from the passing air. The overall result should be pretty much the same (the passing air will be a tiny bit cooler, the returning water a tiny bit warmer).
 

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