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| May4-10, 10:34 AM | #1 |
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Could the Chicxulub asteroid have changed Earth's orbit or axis at all
I heard that the recent Chile earthquake moved Earth's axis by 8cm or so. Could the Chicxulub asteroid (or the even bigger, Antarctic one I just read about) have changed our orbit or our axis in a way that would have affected climate or life or anything that we can investigate?
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| May6-10, 05:36 AM | #2 |
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No; the size of these asteroids in comparison to the earth are very small. While the could alter the earths orbit on the order of a cm or so, that would not be enough to alter earths climate in a meaningful way.
The immediate impact of such collisions on the other hand, have an immmense short term effect on the earth. The surface is incinerated followed by a cooling period from all of the dust obscuring the sun. Once the air clears, the climate returns to near it's previous norm. The biggest control knob for the earth's climate is well known and understood. http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-re...1-chapter1.pdf This video is interesting. Richard Alley is a well respected lead author for the IPCC. Here, he gives an interesting talk on the history of the earth and what has changed over time. http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/lec...eos/A23A.shtml |
| May6-10, 08:13 AM | #3 |
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The question raised in the title of the thread, "Could the Chicxulub asteroid have changed Earth's orbit or axis at all" and the question raised in the original post, "Could the Chicxulub asteroid have changed our orbit or our axis in a way that would have affected climate or life" have very different answers. It certainly did change the Earth's orbit and rotation somewhat, and equally certainly that "somewhat" is a rather insignificant amount. I calculate that the change in length of day would be less than a millisecond and that the change in the Earth's rotation axis of less than 10 milliarcseconds. That is not going to change the climate in and of itself.
The impact almost certainly did change life. It is the leading suspect in the extinction of dinosaurs, for example. |
| May6-10, 10:52 AM | #4 |
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| May13-10, 07:02 PM | #5 |
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I find this question very interesting
The following are excerpts from Flannery, Tim; The Eternal Frontier, an ecological history of North America and its peoples; Atlantic Monthly Press, New York, NY; 2001 p13 One thing that was quoted in the above book about tree growth rings prior to Chicxulub states on pages 12 & 13 |
| May14-10, 06:25 AM | #6 |
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About the relative sizes, if we'd decrease the probably some 10 km diameter of the meteorite to a sand grain of one millimeter, the earth would have had a diameter of 1.27 meters of solid rock with a density more like lead or even mercury in the core. Now what is that sand grain doing? Another thing, if something had enough impulse to start changing anything to the earth's rotation, mind that such an impulse takes about 90 minutes to reach the other side of the earth. So if the first side starts doing things like that, the other side would not know about until 90 minutes later, hard to imagine what that would do to the earth. On the other hand, such an impact would change the balance of mass on Earth, which could change the direction of the inertia tensor. That would mean that the earth would rotate slightly to realign the inertia tensor with the spin axis. But this would not change the direction of the spin axis, only earth's oriention in relation to the spin axis. This is known as polar wander. But don't expect a lot of this, since the equatorial bulge is playing a major role to the direction of the intertia tensor. Not that a lot can happen with such an impact. Interesting is the hypothesis about antipode volcanism in relation to such a major impact and in this case the Indian deccan traps could be a candidate. |
| May14-10, 07:51 AM | #7 |
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Ignoring effects due to changes in the Earth's inertia tensor, the sole effect of a north-south meteor impact will be to change the axis about which the Earth is rotating. The change would have been a very, very small amount in the case of the Chicxulub asteroid. In post #3 I indicated that this would be on the order of 10 milliarcseconds for a pure north-south collision. A shift of 10 milliarcseconds is not going to affect the climate. |
| May14-10, 08:00 AM | #8 |
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You are right, thanks
Could, however, the equatorial bulge have some function as sort of 'fixed point' in the gravitational interaction with sun and moon, changing the precession rate? |
| May14-10, 10:39 AM | #9 |
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Looking at this further, if this work is correct why did we not get volanism at Chicxulub? Probably because impact related volcanism is most likely to occur on oceanic crust, and Chicxulub is on the continental crust. |
| May14-10, 11:59 AM | #10 |
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Okay I try to be careful. I'm not stating anything. Merely mentioning that there is a hypothesis about bolide impact and antipode trap volcanism. In this published paper a link is made between the K-T extinction and the Deccan traps (caption fig 1). I'm not aware that there is any concrete proof or refutation yet.
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| May14-10, 12:00 PM | #11 |
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| May14-10, 12:08 PM | #12 |
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| May15-10, 07:51 AM | #13 |
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The paper you linked to argues that the largest mass extinction might require that a large meteorite impact occur during the same period of time as massive continental volcanism. That's a far cry from what you appear to be proposing: that meteorite impacts trigger antipode volcanism. Just to be clear, that paper makes only a statistical link (given the frequency of those events) that they will probably have occured at the same time. There is no causal mechanism proposed. |
| May15-10, 08:15 AM | #14 |
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Here is another one. |
| May15-10, 12:13 PM | #15 |
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The news is less good with regard to the link between Chicxulub and the Deccan Traps however, according to the Hagstrum paper: |
| May15-10, 12:46 PM | #16 |
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| May17-10, 09:13 AM | #17 |
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