How Does Dark Energy Exert Pressure in the Universe?

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The discussion centers around the nature of dark energy and its role in the universe, specifically addressing how it exerts pressure and what that pressure means in a physical context. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical representations, and conceptual understandings related to dark energy, its pressure, and its effects on cosmic expansion.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how dark energy can exert pressure if it does not push against something solid, suggesting that pressure in this context may not align with classical definitions.
  • Others propose that dark energy has negative pressure and argue that it behaves differently from conventional matter, potentially influencing the expansion of the universe without exerting force in a traditional sense.
  • One participant suggests that dark energy could be conceptualized as a form of antigravity or a repulsive gravitational force, which complicates the understanding of its effects on galaxies.
  • There is a discussion about whether dark energy could be affected by extra dimensions of space, with some participants questioning if such dimensions would alter the equations governing dark energy.
  • Questions arise regarding the units of dark energy, with some participants asserting that its pressure is equivalent to force per area and energy density, while others express uncertainty about the implications of these units.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressure and energy density in the context of dark energy, with some suggesting that the effective energy-momentum tensor components can be related mathematically.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of dark energy and its pressure, with no consensus reached on how to interpret these concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of dark energy's pressure and its relationship to classical physics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of pressure in the context of dark energy, potential dependencies on definitions, and unresolved mathematical relationships between pressure and energy density.

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How does dark energy exert pressure - what does it push against.It must push against something solid if it has pressure units like Nm^-2?
 
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kurious said:
How does dark energy exert pressure - what does it push against.It must push against something solid if it has pressure units like Nm^-2?
Dark energy has negative pressure. And I don't think that dark energy exerts pressure in the classical sense of the term. It is a form of matter which, for example, may make itself know by a non-zero cosmological constant.. This means that Einstein's field equations, even in a vacuum, behave as if there is a non-vanishing stress-energy-momentum tensor which has non-zero pressure terms. Or it may make itself know by having negative values of its effective gravitational mass density, i.e.

[tex]\rho_{eff} = \rho + p^2/3[/tex]

which means there'd be negative pressure. There is more on this at
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/cosmic_darknrg_020115-1.html

The non-vanishing of pressure terms does not mean that something is being pushed on. For example: The pressure in the middle of the room I'm in is 1 atm. But there is nothing in the middle of the room for the air to push on.

Pete
 
pmb phy:
there is nothing in the middle of the room for the air to push on.

Kurious:
Air molecules can move objects by flowing in one direction.
Dark energy seems to move galaxies by exerting pressure equally in all directions.
Could an extra dimension of space make dark energy behave more like air so it could be said to be flowing in a particular direction - and the galaxies too?
Or would an extra dimension upset the equations which describe dark energy's presence in the universe too much?
 
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kurious said:
pmb phy:
there is nothing in the middle of the room for the air to push on.

Kurious:
Air molecules can move objects by flowing in one direction.
Dark energy seems to move galaxies by exerting pressure equally in all directions.
Nope. That is not the case. You're still thinking of the pressure associated with dark energy as being of the same kind of animal as the pressure of a gas. It is not that way. Dark energy is not what is responsible for galaxies moving apart. That happens in the absence of dark energy too. Dark energy is what is causing the rate of expansion to increase. There is nothing pushing on galaxies in the normal sense of the term. Think of it as antigravity or as a repulsive gravitational force.
Could an extra dimension of space make dark energy behave more like air so it could be said to be flowing in a particular direction - and the galaxies too? Or would an extra dimension upset the equations which describe dark energy's presence in the universe too much?
No.

Pete
 
Does dark energy have units of Nm^-2?
Is its pressure = force/area?
If so, it sounds like normal matter or radiation to me.
The energy density of dark energy is the same as its pressure in magnitude:
can I write force/area = energy/ volume for dark energy?
 
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kurious said:
Does dark energy have units of Nm^-2?
That seems to be a vauge question. I'm not sure what it means. But it seems that the best answer is that the units of dark energy are identical to that of energy, e.g. Joules etc.
The energy density of dark energy is the same as its pressure in magnitude:
can I write force/area = energy/ volume for dark energy?
You can do that for the components of the effective energy-momentum tensor. This tensor has components which are mass-enegy density, momentum density and stress.

Pete
 

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