Hey Neanderthals :)

GeorgCantor

Just thought i'd share:

Neanderthals, Humans Interbred—First Solid DNA Evidence


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...bred-dna-gene/


"The next time you're tempted to call some oaf a Neanderthal, you might want to take a look in the mirror.


According to a new DNA study, most humans have a little Neanderthal in them—at least 1 to 4 percent of a person's genetic makeup."



I think this is a fairly important discovery that everybody has been waiting for. Cheers...

neanderthals

Kajahtava

How is this evidence more convincing and conclusive than all the other DNA evidence already found exactly?

I've long been in favour of H. s. neanderthalensis by the way, in fact, I am in favour of H. pan in lieu of Pan as a genus, in fact, I am in favour of reclassifying Homo sapiens sapiens as Pan homo cultiuatus.

Homo sapiens sapiens is one of the most ridiculous self-stroking trinominal nomenclatures ever invented. What if our decendants grow even more intelligent, what do you get then? Homo plusapiens? We were the first hominids to develop culture and states which I think is a very significant property, thus we should be called Homo cultiuatus and rather so even Pan homo cultiuatus. There are enough species in one genus that differ a lot more genetically than Humans and Chimps.

lisab

I'm sure homo sapiensⁿ will be chagrined to learn how much of our DNA is mixed in with theirs.

And I'm not surprised to learn about the Neandertal link to us. After all, we have a Zooby and an Ape here at PF.

GeorgCantor

What other DNA evidence?

Kajahtava

There have been countless studies already that showed a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neander...ing_hypotheses

I think this hypothesis is true by the way, but I just don't see how this new evidence is supposedly more conclusive than the old, which apparently was not conclusive enough yet to sway all biologists.

GeorgCantor

But you said DNA evidence, not hypothesis. What DNA evidence were you referring to?


I could not find DNA analysis in your link that concluded there was interbreeding.


In fact, in my link it states the opposite:

That's no surprise to anthropologist Erik Trinkhaus, whose skeleton-based claims of Neanderthal-modern human interbreeding—previously contradicted with DNA evidence—appear to have been vindicated by the new gene study, to be published tomorrow in the journal Science.



I was always under the opinion that the consensus was that there wasn't interbreeding or that if there was, it would not be to a detectable level.

leroyjenkens

I think bison bison bison is the worst.

Kajahtava

You seem to be correct, I seemed to have been referring to some things that were later taken back again.

There's also Gorilla gorilla gorilla, that's not self-stroking though.

Jimmy Snyder

I'm not too sure about this. Neanderthals didn't paint the walls of their caves like my kids did. None the less, I decided to let my inner Neanderthal show through. I started by dragging my wife into the bedroom by her hair. This was a mistake. It turns out that she has an inner Neanderthal too and access to a club. No wonder they died out.

mgb_phys

I always wondered if that was just meant as a warning.

Picture some victorian naturalist in the jungle bent over his notes writing down the name
>Gorilla yells his assistant pointing.
hmm. yes
>Gorilla !!!
gorilla gorilla, ok got it
>Gorilla !!!!!!! as his assistant is carried off
gorilla gorilla, gorilla? - well a bit repetitive I suppose,

Kajahtava

Etymology
Ancient Greek Γόριλλαι (Gorillai, “a tribe of hairy women”), described by Hanno the Navigator, a Carthaginian navigator and possible visitor to the area that later became Sierra Leone.

I did not know that.

Evo

I dated a guy that had a definite neanderthal brow ridge, no occipital bun though. He always said it was his Cherokee blood.

mgb_phys

Odd that the Greeks should have such a concise term for hairy women

Kajahtava

It was actually the name of a tribe of women, who just happened to be hairy.

phyzmatix

Or very appropriate!

TheStatutoryApe

I was thinking it more odd that they equated gorillas to hairy women.

TheStatutoryApe

Did they also pack a whallop when you got fresh with them?