Is it the Atom or the Electron? Understanding the Photon Emission Process

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the photon emission process related to electrons, particularly focusing on whether the emission is attributed to the electron itself or the atom as a whole. Participants explore concepts related to electron acceleration, energy levels, and the electromagnetic field during photon emission.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an electron can only emit a photon when it is accelerated, and that nothing happens to the electromagnetic field due to the electron itself.
  • Others question whether there is a recoil effect when a high-energy electron emits a photon, suggesting that changes in the fields due to acceleration are responsible for photon emission.
  • There is a discussion about whether electrons emit photons when changing energy levels in an atom, with some arguing that the electron does not accelerate during this transition.
  • Participants discuss the conditions under which free electrons emit photons, noting that acceleration in any form (changing direction or speed) leads to photon emission.
  • Questions arise regarding the preferred direction of photon emission during linear acceleration, with some guessing it may be opposite to the direction of acceleration to conserve momentum.
  • There is a debate on whether it is the electron or the atom that emits the photon during state changes, with some arguing that the whole atom is involved in the emission process.
  • One participant emphasizes that energy eigenstates are specific to the electron within the potential of the atom, suggesting that the atom as a whole participates in transitions.
  • Another participant mentions that in cases like photoemission and photoconductivity, it is the entire solid that participates in the transition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the photon emission is attributed to the electron or the atom, and there is no consensus on the specifics of the emission process or the conditions required for photon emission.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on the definitions of acceleration and the context of electron states within an atom versus free electrons. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the mechanics of photon emission and the role of the electromagnetic field.

kichigai
when an excited electron emits a photon what happens to the EM field of the electron
 
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The electron can only emit a photon when it is accelerated. Nothing happens to the field due to the electron itself.
 
Integral said:
The electron can only emit a photon when it is accelerated. Nothing happens to the field due to the electron itself.

Isn't there some sort of recoil if the electron has super high energy say >1 GeV when the photon is emitted?
 
Integral said:
The electron can only emit a photon when it is accelerated. Nothing happens to the field due to the electron itself.

Actually, IIRC from another thread, its the changes in the fields due to acceleration that causes a photon to be emitted from a charged particle. I don't think the electron accelerates when changing from an energy level to the ground state because the electron doesn't travel through the distance separating the energy levels...it is not allowed.
 
ArmoSkater87 said:
Actually, IIRC from another thread, its the changes in the fields due to acceleration that causes a photon to be emitted from a charged particle. I don't think the electron accelerates when changing from an energy level to the ground state because the electron doesn't travel through the distance separating the energy levels...it is not allowed.

That makes sense for a free electron in a synchrotron.
My understanding is that free electrons do not emit photons unless their paths are changed during the acceleration. Do electrons emit photons when they are linearly accelerated? If so, in what direction?
 
kichigai said:
That makes sense for a free electron in a synchrotron.
My understanding is that free electrons do not emit photons unless their paths are changed during the acceleration. Do electrons emit photons when they are linearly accelerated? If so, in what direction?

You are right, FREE electrons emit photons when accelerated. Since acceleration is a vector, changing direction OR increasing in speed in a linear path (or a combination of both) would all be considered as acceleration, and so in all cases the electron would emit a photon.
 
ArmoSkater87 said:
You are right, FREE electrons emit photons when accelerated. Since acceleration is a vector, changing direction OR increasing in speed in a linear path (or a combination of both) would all be considered as acceleration, and so in all cases the electron would emit a photon.

In the case of linear acceleration, is there a preferred direction for emission?
 
what_are_electrons said:
In the case of linear acceleration, is there a preferred direction for emission?

Thats a good question, I am not sure but I am guessing that it would emit the photon in the opposite direction of its acceleration. I guess to conserve momentum it would have to do that, but I am just not sure, since this case involves a massive and massless particle.
 
When changing states in an atom, is it the electron which emits the photon, or the atom? I say it is the atom. So when you speak of an electron emitting a photon it must be a free electron.

The energy and direction of the emitted photon will be determined by the acceleration.
 
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Integral said:
When changing states in an atom, is it the electron which emits the photon, or the atom? I say it is the atom. So when you speak of an electron emitting a photon it must be a free electron.

It's the WHOLE atom, so you are correct. This is because the energy eigenstates are the eigenstates of the electron within the potential of the atom. An electron, by itself, does not have the same eigenstates as it does in an atom. So it is the whole atom that participates in the transition.

Additionally, in cases such as photoemission, photoconductivity, etc., it is the whole SOLID (not just an atom) that participates in the transition.

Zz.
 

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