Determining Mass, Volume & Density of Objects

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The discussion revolves around methods for determining the mass, volume, and density of various objects, specifically a textbook, a container of milk, and an air-filled balloon. Participants explore different approaches, including experimental techniques and considerations for measuring irregular shapes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests submerging an object in water to measure the volume by capturing the overflow, noting that 1 cc of water weighs 1 g, but acknowledges this method won't work for the balloon.
  • Another participant proposes vacuum-sealing the textbook in plastic before submerging it to avoid damage, but raises concerns about air being trapped, which could affect volume measurements.
  • It is mentioned that submerging the balloon may not yield accurate results because the air inside will compress, changing its volume as it is submerged deeper.
  • A participant questions whether a sensitive balance can be used to weigh the objects, indicating a potential method for obtaining mass.
  • One participant suggests that using a container with the same diameter as the balloon and keeping it at the surface might provide a good approximation of the balloon's volume.
  • Another participant proposes using alcohol or oil instead of water for submersion, suggesting that these liquids might provide different results due to their lighter density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness of various methods for measuring the volume of the balloon and the textbook, indicating that no consensus has been reached regarding the best approach. Concerns about air compression and the trapping of air in plastic wrap are also debated.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the methods discussed, such as the potential for air to affect volume measurements and the compressibility of air in the balloon. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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I am stuck on this question. Can someone please help me!

Not all objects have a volume that is measured easily. If you were to determine the mass, volume, and density fo your your textbook, a container of milk, and an air-filled balloon, how would you do this?

Any help would be great. Thanks
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Fill a large container to the brim with water, submerse your object completely while capturing all water that overflows. Now weigh the captured water... There is your volume for arbitrary shaped objects. (1 cc water weighs 1 g)

Edit: Opps this won't work for your balloon.
 
Integral said:
Edit: Opps this won't work for your balloon.

Several two step methods will work for balloon, but I can't think of a single step method.
 
If you don't want to destroy your textbook, vacuum-seal it in a plastic wrapping before submerging. Then remove the wrapping, measure its volume and weight alone, and substract. Or just use a ruler for a good enough approximation.

Why would the submerging not work with the balloon?
 
Gonzolo said:
If you don't want to destroy your textbook, vacuum-seal it in a plastic wrapping before submerging. Then remove the wrapping, measure its volume and weight alone, and substract. Or just use a ruler for a good enough approximation.

Why would the submerging not work with the balloon?

Using plastic wrap as you suggest isn't a good idea as it would trap air, and you would get results of the books volume along with some air spaces.

It won't work with the balloon because the air will compress and change in volume the farther under the water it gets. Same for the air trapped in the plastic wrapped book too...
 
Are you allowed to use a sensitive balance to weigh the 3 objects?
 
GOD__AM said:
Using plastic wrap as you suggest isn't a good idea as it would trap air, and you would get results of the books volume along with some air spaces.

I said "vacuum-seal", meaning that the air is sucked out before you seal, like with a pack of hot-dogs, or perhaps a lamb chop.

GOD__AM said:
It won't work with the baloon because the air will compress and change in volume the farther under the water it gets. Same for the air trapped in the plastic wrapped book too...

If you stay on the surface, you should get a good approximation. Get a container with the same diameter as the balloon. If there is only a cm of water above the balloon, it won't shrink enough to make a difference. Or do one half of the balloon at a time. Or use better rubber. A basketball won't shrink as much.
 
Perhaps alcohol or oil would be better than water to submerge something in, it is lighter.
 

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