Can dark energy prevent neutron stars from collapsing into black holes?

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The discussion explores the relationship between dark energy and neutron stars, specifically whether dark energy could prevent neutron stars from collapsing into black holes. It includes theoretical considerations, speculative models, and the implications of quantum mechanics in extreme environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how gravity can overcome the degeneracy pressure of neutrons without violating the uncertainty principle.
  • Another participant suggests that neutrons may decompose into quarks, leading to a potential formation of a black hole, but introduces the idea of 'quark degeneracy pressure' as a possible resistance to collapse.
  • There is speculation about the structure of quarks and whether they could form smaller particles or heavier configurations like pentaquarks, with uncertainty about the stability of such states.
  • A participant proposes that if the Casimir vacuum force acted oppositely, it could hold neutrons apart, but notes that this idea faces challenges based on current understanding of the force at the scales relevant to neutron stars.
  • Another hypothesis is that dark energy might be more concentrated in the gaps between neutrons, potentially exerting an outward force against gravity, which could prevent singularities from forming during black hole formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the role of dark energy and the behavior of quarks under extreme conditions, but no consensus is reached on any particular model or explanation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of quarks and dark energy, as well as the applicability of the Standard Model in extreme conditions. The discussion also highlights the lack of experimental data in relevant energy regimes.

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How can gravity overcome the degeneracy pressure of neutrons in a neutron star? Isn't such a thing the same as violating the uncertainty principle?
 
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No violations occur. The neutrons decompose into quarks and the whole thing collapses to form a black hole... probably. It is possible, however, there is a such thing as a 'quark degeneracy pressure' [i.e., the quarks may put up some additional resistance to further collapse]. In this case, the next stop on the road to a black hole would be a quark star. This would be a pretty spooky critter and there is actually is at least one 'suspect' in the case. See
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020414.html
 
Presumably if the quarks don't hold out then they have structure and form
smaller particles or the quarks form heavier quarks pentaquarks etc?
The photo on that link is great.
 
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kurious said:
Presumably if the quarks don't hold out then they have structure and form
smaller particles or the quarks form heavier quarks pentaquarks etc?
The photo on that link is great.
I'm not sure anyone has done the calculations to see if there's another plateau of stability below 'quark degeneracy'. Even if they have, my guess would be we'd be into a region where the Standard Model isn't a reliable guide any more ... it's in an energy (etc) regime that's not well explored in Earthly accelerators (or not explored at all), and 'beyond the SM' physics has essentially no observational basis today.
 
If the casimir vacuum force for plates gave the opposite result to what it normally does
then neutrons could be held apart by this force.Trouble with this idea is that
the casimir would be expected to increase above its normal level (it's been tested over a plate separation of 10^-7 m) and push neutrons even closer together for the kind of distance that neutrons in a neutron star are separated by ( 10^ -15 metres).Perhaps dark energy is more concentrated than usual in the gaps between neutrons in a neutron star and pushes outward against gravity.If dark energy consisted of particles then according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle if these were trapped between neutrons in a neutron star then the small uncertainty in their position would give them a large momentum and a large repulsive force and hence they would counter the gravitational force strongly.And perhaps dark energy behaving like this could stop singularities forming when stars become black holes.
 
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