Chi square is useful - but why square?

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The discussion centers around the meaning of the term "chi square" in the context of chi-square tests and distributions. Participants explore the mathematical and conceptual foundations of the chi-square distribution, including its relationship to the sum of squares and its derivation from normal distributions.

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  • One participant questions the significance of the "square" in chi-square, seeking clarification on its meaning.
  • Another participant explains that the chi-square function is a member of the Gamma distribution family and relates to the sum of squares of independent normal random variables.
  • Some participants suggest that squaring deviations prevents cancellation between positive and negative values, which could obscure the fit of a model.
  • There is a discussion about the chi-square distribution being derived from the standard normal distribution, with some participants noting that this is true for specific cases (e.g., one degree of freedom).
  • A distinction is made between the chi-square distribution and the distribution of the square of a standard normal random variable, highlighting the importance of normalization in defining the chi-square distribution.

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Participants express various interpretations of the chi-square distribution and its derivation, leading to some agreement on its relationship to normal distributions but also highlighting differing views on the implications of squaring deviations and the nature of the distribution itself. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these interpretations.

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Some participants point out that the discussion involves complex mathematical distinctions and assumptions about distributions that may not be fully addressed, such as the normalization process and the implications of using squared values.

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Hello!
While conducting chi square -tests I asked my teacher what the "square" means, and why it was there? Why chi squared, and not just chi?
He couldn't give an answer so he told me to find out, as a homework :surprise: ... After a quarter of "Googeling" I gave up.
So, is there anyone out there who knows why there is a square in chi square??
 
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The "chi square" is just a name. The chi square function is actually a particular member of the Gamma(a,b) family of distributions. These are all of the form x^(a-1) exp(-x/b) with appropriate normalization to make them valid probability density functions.

If you start with some number r of independent Normal(0,1) random variables and then form a new random variable by adding the squared value of each of these r variables together then this new variable has a Chi Square distribution. This is the Chi Squared functions claim to fame and obviously makes it useful in determining the distribution of a sample variance. The "squared" in the name is nothing more than a reminder that it is the distribution of a sum of squares.
 
...or maybe you are wondering why we want the sum of squares?

There are two ways to answer this: the very simple-minded explanation is that, by using the squares, you don't get cancellation between deviations, that would otherwise give you a small deviation in cases where your model is not really good.

Another way o answering this comes from the fact that in many cases, you assume your distribution of errors to be gaussian, and then the sqared deviation shows itself in the exponent of the PDF.
 
From my understanding, the Chi-Square distribution is the standard normal distribution squared.
 
Jin314159 said:
From my understanding, the Chi-Square distribution is the standard normal distribution squared.

Well that actually is one particular member of the Chi-Square family (for one degree of freedom). The general Chi-Squared of "r" degrees of freedom is the distribution of the sum or "r" independent standard normal random variables.
 
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uart said:
Well that actually is one particular member of the Chi-Square family (for one degree of freedom). The general Chi-Squared of "r" degrees of freedom is the distribution of the sum or "r" independent standard normal random variables.

Oh yea... there's like a whole family of Chi-squares with varying degrees of freedom.
 
Jin314159 said:
From my understanding, the Chi-Square distribution is the standard normal distribution squared.

BTW, there was one thing I missed in your statement before. I know the following may sound a bit “nit picky” but it is a very important distinction.

There is a big difference between “the standard normal distribution squared” and the distribution of the new random variable that is obtained by taking a standard normal random variable and squaring it.

A standard normal distribution squared would simply be of the form,
[tex]\exp(-\frac{x^2}{2} ) * \exp(-\frac{x^2}{2}) = \exp(-x^2)[/tex]

On the other hand the distribution of the square of a standard normal random variable can be shown to be of the form, [tex]x^{-1/2} \exp(-x/2)[/tex], which is the 1st order Chi-Squared function (after appropriate normalization of course).
 
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