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Jun110, 12:18 PM

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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Let there be 3 particles with mass m moving in the 1D potential: [tex]\frac{k}{2}[(x_1x_2)^2 + (x_2x_3)^2 + (x_1x_3)^2][/tex] where [tex]x_i[/tex] is the coordinate of the particle i. 1)Show that with the following coordinat change the Schroedinger equation is easy to solve: [tex]y_1=x_1x_2[/tex] [tex]y_2=\frac{1}{2}(x_1+x_2)x_3[/tex] [tex]y_3=\frac{1}{3}(x_1+x_2+x_3)[/tex] 2) Find the eigenstates and the energies of the equation you got in point 1) 2. Relevant equations 3. The attempt at a solution [tex]x_1x_2=y_1[/tex] [tex]x_2x_3=y_2\frac{1}{2}y_1[/tex] [tex]x_1x_3=y_2+\frac{1}{2}y_1[/tex] [tex]V=\frac{k}{2}\left[\frac{3}{2}y_1^2+2y_2^2\right][/tex] [tex]H=\frac{P_1^2}{2m}+\frac{P_2^2}{2m}+\frac{P_3^2}{2m}+V[/tex] So I have 2 independent harmonic oscillators with angular frequencies [tex]\sqrt{\frac{3k}{2m}}[/tex] and [tex]\sqrt{\frac{2k}{m}}[/tex] and a free particle whose eigenfunction is [tex]exp\left[\frac{i}{\hbar}\vec P\vec r\right][/tex] So the eigenstates are the tensor product of the eigenstates of two harmonic oscillators and an exponential. The energies are [tex](a+\frac{1}{2})\hbar w_1+(b+\frac{1}{2})\hbar w_2 + E[/tex] where w1 and w2 are the two frequencies of the two harmonic oscillators and E is the energy of the free particle. 


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Jun110, 03:40 PM

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You need to convert the momenta to the new coordinates as well.



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Jun110, 04:50 PM

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ok, if I convert the momenta I get:
[tex]H=\frac{2P_1^2}{2m}+\frac{3}{4m}P_2^2+\frac{5}{18m}P_3^2+V[/tex] Where [tex]P_i[/tex] now refers to the momenta in the new basis. Now the new Hamiltonian can be written as [tex]H=H_1+H_2+H_3[/tex] So I have the hamiltonian of 3 independent particles: [tex]H_1=2\left[\frac{P_1^2}{2m}+\frac{k}{2}\left(\frac{3}{4}y_1^2\right)\right][/tex] [tex]H_2=\frac{3}{2}\left[\frac{P_2^2}{2m}+\frac{k}{2}\left(\frac{9}{4}y_2^2\right)\right][/tex] [tex]H_3=\frac{5}{9}\left(\frac{P_3^2}{2m}\right)[/tex] H1 and H2 are two independent harmonic oscillators with their own frequency, and H3 is an independent particle whose energy is multiplied by 5/9 Is this right? 


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Jun110, 05:36 PM

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Quantum mechanics exercise
I got the same potential in terms of the y's, but for the kinetic term, I found
[tex]\frac{1}{2m}\left(\frac{1}{2}p_1^2+\frac{2}{3}p_2^2+3 p_3^2\right)[/tex] Besides the constant factors, though, you're correct in that you get what looks like two oscillators and a free particle. The coordinate y_{3} is the center of mass of the three particles, so the "free particle" is actually the system taken as a whole. 


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Jun210, 04:36 AM

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Uhm... I calculate the momenta in the new coordinates again and I get:
[tex]\frac{1}{2m}\left(2p_1^2+\frac{3}{2}p_2^2+\frac{1}{3}p_3^2\right)[/tex] Anyway... in the end, the energy is the sum of 3 energies: E1: energy of a harmonic oscillator with mass m/2 (or 2m according to your result) and frequency [tex]\left(\omega=\sqrt{\frac{m}{k}}\right)[/tex] w=3 (or 3/4 according to your results); E2: the energy of the second harmonic oscillator E3: the energy of a free particle of mass 3m, i.e. E3=[tex]\frac{P_3^2}{3m}[/tex] 


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Jun210, 05:05 AM

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Your answer is probably right. A mass of 3m for the whole system makes more sense than m/3.
EDIT: I redid the calculation and now get the same result you did. 


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Jun210, 05:20 AM

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And if the 3 particles are bosons what is the ground state energy?
I guess it is: 3*(E1+E2+E3) and the wavefunction is: [tex]\frac{\psi_1(x_1)\psi_2(x_2)\psi_3(x_3)+\psi_1(x_1)\psi_2(x_3)\psi_3(x_ 2)+\psi_1(x_2)\psi_2(x_1)\psi_3(x_3)+\psi_1(x_2)\psi_2(x_3)\psi_3(x_1)+ \psi_1(x_3)\psi_2(x_2)\psi_3(x_1)+\psi_1(x_3)\psi_2(x_1)\psi_3(x_2)}{\s qrt{6}}[/tex] But then, wouldn't the energy be 6*(E1+E2+E3)? Where [tex]\psi_1[/tex] is the wavefunction of the first harmonic oscillator, [tex]\psi_1[/tex] is the wavefunction of the second HO and [tex]\psi_1[/tex] is the wavefunction of the free particle 


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Jun210, 05:24 AM

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Ah.. no...the energy is still 3*(E1+E2+E3) because I have to divide by 6



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Jun310, 03:11 AM

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E1: energy of a harmonic oscillator with mass m/2 (or 2m according to your result) and frequency [tex]\left(\omega=\sqrt{\frac{m}{k}}\right)[/tex] w=3;
E2: the energy of the second harmonic oscillator E3: the energy of a free particle of mass 3m. So the wave function of the ground state is simply [itex]\psi_1(y_1)\psi_2(y_2)\psi_3(y_3)[/itex]? Where psi1 is the wavefunction of a HO with frequency w=3, psi2 is the wavefunction of the second HO and psi3 is the wavefunction of a free particle 


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Jun310, 04:03 AM

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So why would the energy be 3*(E1+E2+E3)? Wouldn't it be just E1+E2+E3?



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Jun310, 04:32 AM

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Ah, yes, the energy is E1+E2+E3.
So, I don't care if the particles are bosons or fermions? In both cases the wavefunction is [itex] \psi_1(y_1)\psi_2(y_2)\psi_3(y_3) [/itex] 


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I'm not sure actually. I'll see if someone else can offer some help on this point.



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plug and chug



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Jun410, 04:27 AM

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Thanks to everybody for your help!



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I'm wondering about the ground state wavefunctions for the fermion and boson cases. Because of the symmetry of the original Hamiltonian, I'd expect the individual particle wavefunctions to be the same and the ground state would be symmetric and antisymmetric combinations depending on the type of particle. Since the ground state wavefunctions in terms of the the x's are different, I'd expect the ground state wavefunctions in terms of the y's to be different.



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Good point, I'll have to take a closer look at this...



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