The 4th superstring revolution.

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The discussion centers around the implications of the factor {D-2 \over 24} in the context of string theory and noncommutative geometry (NCG). Participants explore its potential significance for critical dimensions, the normalization choices in mathematical formulations, and the relationship between string theory and particle physics, particularly the standard model. The conversation includes theoretical implications, historical context, and speculative connections between different frameworks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the factor {D-2 \over 24} could indicate that critical dimensions are not exclusive to string theory or suggest ways to avoid criticality.
  • Others argue that the factor's appearance in noncommutative geometry, particularly in Martinetti's work, raises questions about its implications for string theory.
  • A participant mentions that the normalization of the Wodzicki residue affects the interpretation of the factor, indicating a need for clarity on its "natural" status.
  • There is a suggestion that perturbative expansions in gravity using the Dixmier trace could differ significantly from traditional approaches, particularly for D=26.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the desirability of avoiding criticality in string theory, noting that many proponents appreciate its critical nature.
  • A historical account of the factor has been uploaded to ArXiV, indicating ongoing exploration of its significance.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between string theory modes and the standard model, emphasizing the importance of mass eigenstates and the potential for extra dimensions related to the Higgs field.
  • Speculation arises regarding the number of extra dimensions that could be relevant in various theoretical frameworks, including M-theory and F-theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the factor {D-2 \over 24}, with multiple competing views remaining regarding its significance and the normalization choices in related theories. The discussion includes both supportive and skeptical perspectives on the relationship between string theory and noncommutative geometry.

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Participants note limitations related to access to specific texts and the potential for differing interpretations based on normalization choices. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and conditions that influence the arguments presented.

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The spotting of the factor [tex]{D-2 \over 24}[/tex] outside of the scope of string theory should be the trigger for a new revolution in this field. It could mean that a critical dimension is not exclusive of strings, or it could show how to avoid criticality after all.

The term itself is not rare, the denominator is a usual combinatorial factor, and D-2 can happen when we use the Riemann tensor in a general space.

In fact, it seems that the term can be made explicit by recasting Connes' fundamental theorem for commutative spectral triples, as it is done by Martinetti in th 2.11 of math-ph/0306046. By postulating this term to be equal to 1, we could get a critical dimension for spectral triples. Which is amazing, because spectral triples do not use strings inside its formulation.
 
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Hmm Actually Martinetti already uses this explicit factor in his Ph D thesis, math-ph/0112038, theorem 1.21. Of course it depends on the normalization of the Wodzicki residue, which has been chosen differently of Connes 1996. I have not got here a copy of the handbook from Gracia-Bondia, Varilly and Figueroa. Could anyone to check how the theorem is formulated there?
 
arivero said:
The spotting of the factor [tex]{D-2 \over 24}[/tex] outside of the scope of string theory should be the trigger for a new revolution in this field. It could mean that a critical dimension is not exclusive of strings, or it could show how to avoid criticality after all.
...

If I follow you, the D=26
in string arises by setting a certain factor equal to unity:

[tex]\frac{D-2}{24} = 1[/tex]

And in what might hopefully turn out to be a useful introduction to the standard model from a noncommutative geometry standpoint, in which there is no string theory, the very same factor appears. slightly eerie.

http://arxiv.org/math-ph/0306046

A brief introduction to the noncommutative geometry description of particle physics standard model
Pierre Martinetti


"These notes present a brief introduction to Connes' non commutative geometry description of the standard model of particle physics. The notion of distance is emphasized, especially the possible interpretation of the Higgs field as the component of a discrete internal dimension. These notes are in french and are taken from the author's phD thesis."

You caution against getting too spooked by this since 24 is just
the factorial 4!
and there could be a simple explanation for the D-2.

Nevertheless it does whet the curiosity.
 
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Well, the D-2 comes from the right place, namely a integration of the scalar curvature in a manifold by using the a Dirac structure on it.

The weak point is that Martinetti has chosen a "natural" normalisation for the Dixmier trace of the Dirac operator, such that in this normalization the "critical" factor is evident. The problem, as I see it, is to determine how natural the normalisation is. If it is, then the critical dimension of bosonic strings follows from there.
 
An example.

Suppose we want to expand perturbatively a gravity action using the Dixmier trace. Then each power will add a new factor (D-2)/24 which will make the Dixmier-based expansion more and more different from the naive expansion of the Einstein Hilbert integral. We would then suggest that only for D=26 the NCG and the naive relativistic expansion do coincide.

On the other side, we can suggest that the (D-2)/24 factor must be absorbed in the normalisation of the Dixmier trace (W. residue, to be right) and that NCG can avoid criticality. This should raise the question about if criticality in strings can equally be avoided.
 
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arivero said:
This should raise the question about if criticality in strings can equally be avoided.

devil's advocate. they LIKE the criticality.
they always get mad when someone offers to cure them of it :smile:
 
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Ah, that is the inconvenience of starting a revolution... one never knows what side will be shoot down. :eek:
 
Martinetti not guilty

I have spoken with Martinetti and he does not remember to have done any notational change. So the main suspect now is the book of Varilly, Gracia-Bondia and Figueroa, which regretly is the one I have not access to, just now... and I do not forsee to be able to get it for a couple months.
 
Tha blame is finally upon GraciaBondia-Varilly-Figueroa, a book that is to NCG as Polchinski is to strings. There, in theorem 11.2, page 492, they acknowledge the change of normalisation, on grounds of consistency with the general non-commutative integral.
 
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Congratulations are called for, AR,
it's a nice paper! Thanks for posting the link.
 
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Thanks marcus. Let me to expand in the last part of the upload. The old aspiration of string theory was that each mode of the string should give rise to a different particle. The bosonic string has 24 transversal modes available in the m=0 excitation (also it has one m<0 excitation, the tachion, but this was cured in the heterotic string).

If we look at the SM experimental input looking only for mass eigenstates, no for charge eigenstates, we find 12 mass subsectors in the fermion side and 12 bosons in the gauge side. To me, this only point of strings is more important that the buzz about if they have or they have not got gravity.

The heterotic strings lives with a leg in the 10 dimensional world and another in the 26 dimensional one, so a decent arrangement of the particle content should still have 24 elementary transversal directions. This arrangement is complicated because they have a lot of freedom. They can convert between bosons and fermions via bosonization (a phenomena of the 2D worldsheet) and the can invoke supersymmetry to look for partners of a given boson or fermion.

M-theory (and F-theory) have a possibility to score because of the Higgs. We know that Higgses can be related to extra dimensions adjoined to ST. Now, ¿how many? In toy models, only one. But a Higgs doublet has four real fields, so it could go up to 4. Two Higgs doublets, as in most SUSY models -and also my inquiry into nuclear physics- could add up to 8 extra dimensions, doing a 12 dimensional ST the, er, natural scenario.

I do not believe that these dimensions are to be compactified; they should be quotiented out, perhaps using the concept of groupoid from Connes and Morita equivalence. This process could let us with the discrete part of Connes-Lott models.
 

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