How Do You Calculate the Uncertainty in Physical Measurements?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the uncertainty in physical measurements, specifically focusing on the area of a circle and air density using the ideal gas law. Participants are exploring how to quantify uncertainties based on given measurements and errors.

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  • Participants discuss the impact of small errors in measurements on the calculated area of a circle. There are inquiries about the methods for determining uncertainty in air density, with references to complex formulas and the need for clarification on their application.

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Some participants have provided initial calculations and suggestions for approaching the uncertainty in the area of a circle. Others are seeking further guidance on how to apply the relevant formulas for air density, indicating a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts involved.

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There are mentions of significant figures and specific uncertainties related to measurements, such as the radius of the circle and the variables involved in the gas law. Some participants express difficulty in interpreting the formulas and the terminology used in their textbooks.

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Can someone get me started with finding the approximate uncertainty of the area of a circle with a radius of 2.0 cm?


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Ask yourself by what amount will the area of the circle change if you introduced a small error in the radius of the circle?
 
um...

Can you give me the answer so I know if I'm doing this right? (I need to show work for full credit anyway)
 
Tell us what you did so far and I'm sure someone will provide further guidance! :-)
 
I found the area of both pi*(2.0+0.1)^2 and pi*(2.0-0.1)^2, which is 13.9 and 11.3, respectively. I also found the area of pi*(2.0)^2, which is 12.6. Then I got stuck.
 
That's a good start! Generally, the error in area will be related to the error in measuring the radius by [itex]\delta A = 2\pi r \delta r[/tex] which is essentially what you have for the specific case that [itex]\delta r = 0.1[/itex] and [itex]r = 2[/itex]. ([itex]\delta[/itex] means "error" or "deviation.")[/itex]
 
So the final answer is 2.8 X 10^9 +/- 1.3?
 
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I would refine it just a little. The radius was given to two significant digits meaning that it is given to the nearest 0.1 centimeters from which I would use [itex]\pm 0.5[/itex] for the error in r.
 
Thank you for your help, Tide!
 
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I'm being asked to compute the uncertantity of air density that i calculated using pv=nrt. I have a uncertainty of .1 on the barometer, and .5 degrees for temperature, but the equation in my fluid mechanics book is too complicated. I can't draw what they're trying to say. The formula has to do with like 3 terms squared to the ^1/2 power. I just can't get over all the complicated lingo, I know its really easy. My recitation teacher explained it, but I'm having a brain freeze, anybody?
 
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It appears you should be using the formula
[tex]D =\frac{P}{RT}[/tex]
where:
D = density, kg/m3
P = pressure, Pascals ( multiply mb by 100 to get Pascals)
R = gas constant , J/(kg*degK) = 287.05 for dry air
T = temperature, degK = deg C + 273.15
 
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purduegrad said:
I'm being asked to compute the uncertantity of air density that i calculated using pv=nrt. I have a uncertainty of .1 on the barometer, and .5 degrees for temperature, but the equation in my fluid mechanics book is too complicated. I can't draw what they're trying to say. The formula has to do with like 3 terms squared to the ^1/2 power. I just can't get over all the complicated lingo, I know its really easy. My recitation teacher explained it, but I'm having a brain freeze, anybody?

I don't know whether I can make it any easier but essentially you just need to substitute numbers into the equation

[tex]\frac {\delta n}{n} = \sqrt{ \left( \frac{\delta v}{v} \right)^2 + \left( \frac{\delta p}{p} \right)^2 + \left( \frac{\delta T}{T} \right)^2}[/tex]

The symbol [itex]\delta[/itex] means "deviation" or "error" of a given quantity. Note that generally a quantity such as [itex]\frac {\delta n}{n}[/itex] is called the "relative error."
 

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