Physics book slides off a horizontal

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a book sliding off a horizontal table and its subsequent motion until it hits the floor. The problem includes calculating the height of the table and the vertical component of the book's velocity just before impact, with specific values for initial speed and time of fall provided.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the height formula and question why the initial vertical velocity is considered zero. There is confusion regarding the calculation of the vertical component of velocity just before impact, with some suggesting that average velocity is not sufficient due to the influence of gravity.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the initial conditions and the application of kinematic equations. Some guidance has been offered about the vertical component of velocity and the relationship between acceleration and time, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the calculations.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made in the problem, particularly regarding the initial vertical velocity of the book and the effects of gravity during its fall. The problem constraints include ignoring air resistance and focusing solely on the vertical motion after the book leaves the table.

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A physics book slides off a horizontal table top with a speed of 1.60m/s . It strikes the floor after a time of 0.440s . Ignore air resistance.

the following are given:
v(0)=1.60
t= 0.440s

ok this is the question

Find the height of the table top above the floor. Take free fall acceleration to be g=9.80m/s^2 .

i need to use this formula:
x(t) = x(0) + v(0)t + 1/2at^2 <-- height formula

the thing is why is v(0)t equal to zero? isn't the v(0) given in the problem? i know the correct answer and i know how the book done it, but they don't explain why v(0)t is equal to zero.

x(0) = 0 + 1/2(-9.8m/s^2)(.440s)^2 <--- i don't get why v(0) is zero
 
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ok for that question the answer is 0.949m, so you don't have to do the calculations.

im working on this question:

Find the vertical component of the book's velocity just before the book reaches the floor. express in m/s

wouldnt it just be distance/time? 0.949m/0.440 = 2.15 which is incorrect
 
the thing is why is v(0)t equal to zero? isn't the v(0) given in the problem? i know the correct answer and i know how the book done it, but they don't explain why v(0)t is equal to zero.

Your book should have explained that it was using the vertical component of the v(0) vector which happens to be zero (can you think of why this is so? Hint: the table is flat).


Find the vertical component of the book's velocity just before the book reaches the floor. express in m/s

wouldnt it just be distance/time? 0.949m/0.440 = 2.15 which is incorrect

The quantity you came up with was the average velocity of the book through it's transit from the table to the ground. There is an acceleration due to gravity, and as you know, accelerations are changes in velocity, so you will need to use the relation v = at; where a will of course be 9.8 m /s^2
 
Gza said:
Your book should have explained that it was using the vertical component of the v(0) vector which happens to be zero (can you think of why this is so? Hint: the table is flat).




The quantity you came up with was the average velocity of the book through it's transit from the table to the ground. There is an acceleration due to gravity, and as you know, accelerations are changes in velocity, so you will need to use the relation v = at; where a will of course be 9.8 m /s^2

the answer is -4.321, but why v=at?
do i need the formula... Vfy = V(0)y - gt
v = -(-9.8)(0.44) = 4.321 which is wrong, why is that?
 
Bonus question:

Does the book land face up or face down? :-)
 
the answer is -4.321, but why v=at?
do i need the formula... Vfy = V(0)y - gt
v = -(-9.8)(0.44) = 4.321 which is wrong, why is that?

I apologize for my lack of explanation. I got v=at from the kinematical relation:

[tex]v_f = v_i + a\Delta t[/tex]

vi is simply zero since book slides off horizontally (with no initial vertical velocity.) [tex]\Delta t[/tex] is simply the time of flight.


You got the wrong answer because you added in another minus sign that didn't need to be there. Hope I helped! :smile:
 
Does the book land face up or face down? :-)

You know, that would actually make an interesting problem to figure out! (NERD ALERT!) Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't it depend on the velocity of the horizontal launch? Launching the book at a critical speed would ensure it staying upright upon landing. Any other speed and it will either flip over or land on its edge.
 
Gza said:
You know, that would actually make an interesting problem to figure out! (NERD ALERT!) Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't it depend on the velocity of the horizontal launch? Launching the book at a critical speed would ensure it staying upright upon landing. Any other speed and it will either flip over or land on its edge.

Yes, it would depend on the velocity at launch as well as whether the book edge is parallel to the edge of the table! This was inspired by my observation that if I ever knock my toast off the counter it seems always to land jelly side down!
 

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