Do tachyons exist or not?if so causality will be failed

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The discussion centers around the existence of tachyons, hypothetical particles that would travel faster than light, and the implications of their existence on causality and the framework of Einstein's theories. Participants explore theoretical aspects, potential interactions, and the consequences of such particles within quantum field theory and special relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether any particle can travel faster than light while still adhering to Einstein's postulates and raises concerns about causality violations.
  • Another participant asserts that no known particle moves faster than light and suggests that if tachyons could not interact with tardyons, their existence would be irrelevant to current physics.
  • A different viewpoint claims tachyons do not exist due to their unphysical properties, such as negative mass, and discusses how quantum field theory addresses these issues through mechanisms like the Higgs mechanism.
  • One participant emphasizes the lack of evidence for tachyons and mentions potential problems they could introduce, such as unstable vacuums and superluminal rocket drives.
  • Another participant humorously notes that traveling faster than light would require imaginary mass.
  • A hypothesis from 1985 by Kostelecky is mentioned, proposing that neutrinos could be tachyonic, but this is challenged due to neutrinos having positive mass.
  • One participant introduces the concept of superbradyons, which are non-tachyonic particles with superluminal velocity.
  • Another comment references "deformed" Lorentz dynamics in relation to the discussion.
  • A participant brings up tachyon condensation in string theory and inquires about its perception and contributions from a specific individual, Barton Zweibeck.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the existence of tachyons, with some arguing against their existence due to theoretical inconsistencies, while others explore the implications of their existence. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions and limitations, such as the dependence on definitions of mass and the implications of superluminal velocities on causality. The discussion also touches on unresolved mathematical and theoretical aspects related to tachyons and their interactions.

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do tachyons exist or not?if so causality will be failed!

is there any particle that can travel faster than photon and still preserve the einstein's postulates?
if they exist how can we explain the space like separated events that voilate the causality.
 
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There is certainly no known particle that moves faster than light. Yes, if such a particle existed AND could interact with tardyons, then causality could be violated.
Some people argue that if tachyons existed and could NOT interact with tardyons, then we would never know of there existence and so, as far as we are concerned they don't exist!
 
Tachyons do not exist because the have unphysical properties like negative mass and so on...

In QFT there is a nice way "to get rid of them", namely the continuous breakdown of symmetry (in the vacuum-state like the U(1)-symmetry). Through the Higgs-mechanism which "gives" elementary particles their mass, these tachyons can acquire positive mass-values.

For clarity : In the Standard Model all elementary particles are masless because mass mixes up the two different chiralities (left-handed and right handed). It is proven that particles of left handed chirality behave "different" when it comes to the four interactions then those with right-handed chirality.

I must say that the last text is not perferctly ok but it gives you a pretty clear image of what is meant by the statement that elemantary particles are massless. If you wanne know more, please just let me know. I will be more the happy to elaborate.

regards
marlon
 
hi mak said:
is there any particle that can travel faster than photon and still preserve the einstein's postulates?
if they exist how can we explain the space like separated events that voilate the causality.

Nobody's ever seen a tachyon, so there's no evidence that they exist. Besides possible effects on causality (I gather the issue is more complicated than it first appears, see for instance )

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ParticleAndNuclear/tachyons.html

there are some other problems with tachyons, like the tendency to create an unstable vacuum in quantum field theory, and the creation of rocket drives with efficiences greater than 100%. So they probably don't exist.
 
If you want to travel faster than light, your mass must be imaginary ... could you imagine that?
 
A guy called Kostelecky formulated in 1985 the hypothesis that neutrinos are really particles moving faster than light. In this theory, neutrinos are called tachyonic neutrinos. But tachyons in SR have imaginary mass and neutrinos have a little positive mass, so the hypothesis seems incorrect
Anyway, in SR, doesn't matter if the particle is a neutrino, a photino or whatever: if its velocity is superior to c there's violation of causality
 
Only in "deformed" Lorentz dynamics.
 
Self adjoint,

IN regards to Barton Zwiebeck.

The topic of this post is about Tachyon's. Does Barton's view show this development and origination?

We have had our talks before about Tachyon Condensation in String Theory. Do you recall? I was interested in how this is percieved, and how you might have thought Barton Zweibeck contributed?

Regards
 
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