Dirac Notation Help: Solve H, A, K Problems

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The discussion revolves around problems related to Dirac notation in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on operators, eigenstates, and their properties as outlined in a homework assignment from a quantum class. Participants are exploring the commutation relations of operators, the representation of operators in terms of matrix elements, and the formulation of projectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the commutator between a Hermitian operator and a defined operator in Dirac notation, questioning how to proceed from initial steps. They also explore the representation of an operator in terms of its matrix elements and the implications of orthonormality. Additionally, there are inquiries about the definition and properties of projectors in relation to a specific operator.

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Some participants have made progress on initial problems but express uncertainty about the final steps, particularly in the context of operator representation and projector formulation. There is an ongoing exchange of hints and clarifications, with no explicit consensus reached on the final forms or methods to apply.

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Participants are working under a time constraint, as the homework is due soon, which adds urgency to their discussions. There is a mention of needing to clarify mathematical manipulations and the legality of certain steps in the derivations.

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We are working on Dirac notation in my quantum class, and for the most part I see that it is a very easy way to do problems. But I am still getting stuck on how to deal with a few things on my current homework assignment. These come out of chapter 2 in the Cohen-Tannoudji book if you want to look them up.

#1. |[tex]\phi_{n}[/tex]> are eigenstates of a Hermitian operator H and they form a discrete orthonormal basis. The operator U(m,n) is defined by U(m,n)=|[tex]\phi_{m}[/tex]><[tex]\phi_{n}[/tex]|.

b. Calculate the commutator [H,U(m,n)].

I'm not really sure how to deal with this in such a general case. I get to the first step: [tex]H|\phi_{m}><\phi_{n}|-|\phi_{m}><\phi_{n}|H[/tex]

but I don't know where to go from there.

e. Let A be an operator, with matrix elements [tex]A_{mn}=<\phi_{m}|A|\phi_{n}>[/tex]

Prove the relation:[tex]A=\Sigma A_{mn}U(m,n)[/tex]

If I start with [tex]A_{mn}=<\phi_{m}|A|\phi_{n}>[/tex], is it legal to do this:

[tex]A_{mn}|\phi_{m}><\phi_{n}|=<\phi_{m}|\phi_{m}> A<\phi_{m}|\phi_{n}>[/tex]

then, since the states are orthonormal:
[tex]<\phi_{m}|\phi_{m}>=<\phi_{n}|\phi_{n}>=1[/tex]

If I can do that I get: [tex]A=A_{mn}|\phi_{m}><\phi_{n}|[/tex]

but I'm not sure where the summation comes in.

#4. Let K be the operator defined by [tex]K=|\phi><\psi|[/tex] where [tex]|\phi>, |\psi>[/tex] are two vectors of the state space.

c. show that K can always be written in the form [tex]K=\lambda P_{1}P_{2}[/tex] where [tex]\lambda[/tex] is a constant to be calculated and [tex]P_{1}, P_{2}[/tex] are projectors.

I'm not really sure where to get started on this one. Any hints would be appreciatted, especially since this is due monday morning and I won't have time to talk to my professor before hand.
 
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b. If [tex]|\phi_{n}>[/tex] is a eigenket of H, then what is the action of H on [tex]|\phi_{n}>[/tex]? Similarly, what is [tex]<\phi_{n}|H[/tex]? Also note that the communtator between two operators is in general an operator.

e. The identity operator is [tex]\sum_{n}|\phi_{n}><\phi_{n}|[/tex]. Presumably you want to find A=?. Try to insert the identity operator in front and after A and exchange terms to see what you get.

#4

What is a projector? [tex]\frac{|\phi><\phi|}{<\phi|\phi>}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{|\psi><\psi|}{<\psi|\psi>}[/tex] would be projectors.
 
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So I figured out the first two questions, but I'm still stuck on that last one. I get to this point: [tex]K=\lambda \frac{|\phi><\psi|}{<\phi|\phi>} \frac{|\phi><\psi|}{<\psi|\psi>}[/tex]

How do I get from that to [tex]K=\lambda \frac{|\phi><\phi|}{<\phi|\phi>} \frac{|\psi><\psi|}{<\psi|\psi>}[/tex]?
 
Remember that [itex]<\psi|\phi>[/itex] is just a number...



Actually, how did you get to

[tex]K=\lambda \frac{|\phi><\psi|}{<\phi|\phi>} \frac{|\phi><\psi|}{<\psi|\psi>}[/tex]

?

It seems to me that if you did things slightly different, you'd get the answer you seek.
 
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Hurkyl said:
Remember that [itex]<\psi|\phi>[/itex] is just a number...



Actually, how did you get to

[tex]K=\lambda \frac{|\phi><\psi|}{<\phi|\phi>} \frac{|\phi><\psi|}{<\psi|\psi>}[/tex]

?

It seems to me that if you did things slightly different, you'd get the answer you seek.

I started with [tex]K=|\phi><\psi|[/tex] and multiplied by [tex]\frac{<\phi|\phi>}{<\phi|\phi>}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{<\psi|\psi>}{<\psi|\psi>}[/tex]. That is how I got the [tex]\lambda=<\phi|\psi>[/tex] term out front. Although, now that I look over it again, I'm not sure if I can rearrange the terms like that.
 
It's fine; numbers can always be moved around to wherever you want. Why did you opt to pull the [itex]<\phi|\psi>[/itex] term out instead of the [itex]<\psi|\phi>[/itex] term?
 
Hurkyl said:
It's fine; numbers can always be moved around to wherever you want. Why did you opt to pull the [itex]<\phi|\psi>[/itex] term out instead of the [itex]<\psi|\phi>[/itex] term?

I can't believe I didn't see that. Thanks for the help.
 

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