Limits (one algebreic, two Trig)

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The discussion revolves around limits in calculus, specifically focusing on three limit problems involving algebraic and trigonometric functions. Participants express confusion regarding factoring and applying limit properties to evaluate these limits.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to factor the expression (x^5 - 32) for the first limit problem and question the application of substitution methods. There is mention of recognizing forms that lead to indeterminate results.
  • Some participants suggest using geometric series or polynomial division to simplify the first limit problem.
  • For the second limit, there is confusion about the simplification process and whether certain rules apply due to the presence of zero denominators in the other problems.
  • In the third limit, participants express uncertainty about the breakdown of the expression and the relevance of trigonometric identities.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various insights and suggestions for approaching the problems. Some have acknowledged errors in their initial attempts and are seeking clarification on the correct methods to apply.

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Well I just started to learn limits in my calculus class, and I'm getting it fairly well, but I'm a bit confused on these three:

1) the limit of (x^5 - 32)/(x-2) as x approaches 2.
The problem I have here is factoring the (x^5 - 32) part. Once I can get that factored I think I can handle the rest. :D

2) what is the limit of xsecx as x appraoches pi.
I simplified that to x(1/cosx) but that really got me nowhere.

3) and, last but not least, what is the limit of (1-tanx)/(sinx-cosx) as x approaches pi/4?
I broke this one down to [(2 sin 2x)/2x)(mx/3 sin 3x)], but I don't know where to go from there.

The two basic trig fxns I learned are:
the limit of sin x/x as x approaches 0 is equal to one
and
the limit of (1-cos x)/x as x approaches 0 is equal to zero

If anybody coiuld please lend me their wisdom, lead me into the right direction, I would be forever grateful. Thank you!
 
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1) the limit of (x^5 - 32)/9x-2) as x approaches 2.
The problem I have here is factoring the (x^5 - 32) part. Once I can get that factored I think I can handle the rest. :D

Did you try substituting for 2 before trying to transform the expression, you must first try and see if it will create an inderterminate form, i see 0/16 which is 0
 
Cyclovenom said:
Did you try substituting for 2 before trying to transform the expression, you must first try and see if it will create an inderterminate form, i see 0/16 which is 0
YEah, I typed the problem wrong, but I edited it. And yes I did plug in, and got 0/0 so now that means I need to factor further, so... heh.
 
You might recognize (y^n - q)/(y-1) as the sum of a geometric series and go from there. If not, try dividing x - 2 directly into x^5 - 32. You should see a pattern emerge even before you finish it! :-)
 
Have you not learned the http://www.math.hmc.edu/calculus/tutorials/prodrule/ and http://www.math.hmc.edu/calculus/tutorials/quotient_rule/? If you know these two rules, solving the problems you posted will only be a matter of plugging in the value of x.
 
recon said:
Have you not learned the http://www.math.hmc.edu/calculus/tutorials/prodrule/ and http://www.math.hmc.edu/calculus/tutorials/quotient_rule/? If you know these two rules, solving the problems you posted will only be a matter of plugging in the value of x.


No, it's not. Problem 2 can be handled that way, but problems 1 and 3 both have denominators that are 0 at the "target" point and so the quotient rule does not apply (in fact, it doesn't apply in all the interesting cases!).

Alethia was correct- you need to factor (x5- 32).

In general, xn-an can be factored as
(x-a)(xn-1+ axn-2+ a2xn-3+...+an-2x+ an-1).
x5- 32= (x-2)(x4+ 2x3+ 4x2+ 8x+ 16).

I'm not at all sure how Alethia got the "3x" and "2x" in the 3rd problem (nor what "m" is!). Since tan(x)= sin(x)/cos(x), 1- tan(x)= 1- sin(x)/cos(x)=
(cos(x)- sin(x))/cos(x) so (for x not &pi/4)

(1- tan(x))/(sin(x)- cos(x))= ((cos(x)- sin(x))/cos(x))(1/(sin(x)- cos(x)) and that should be easy.
 
Thank you everyone! I think I just factored wrong on the first one. I used synthetic, but I kept getting the wrong answer, but I get it now. :D
 
Woops, sorry for the blunder I made. I'll try to be more careful in the future.
 

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