Can a Function Satisfy This Complex Derivative Equation?

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The discussion revolves around finding a function f(x) that satisfies a complex derivative equation involving an exponential function and a constant. Participants explore the implications of the equation, its derivation, and potential solutions, engaging in both mathematical reasoning and conceptual exploration.

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  • One participant proposes a function f(x) based on the equation (d/dx)(exp(2[pi]i(f(x))))=(x/c+c/x)(exp(2[pi]i(f(x)))), suggesting a specific form for f(x) after integrating the derived equation.
  • Another participant confirms the use of "i" as the imaginary unit and questions how this affects the results, indicating a potential for differing interpretations or results based on this understanding.
  • A different approach is presented where the equation is reformulated, leading to a first-order non-linear differential equation for f(x), which is also solved, yielding a different expression for f(x).
  • One participant reflects on the nature of scientific inquiry, emphasizing the importance of critically evaluating ideas and the potential for learning from incorrect hypotheses.

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Participants present multiple competing views and approaches to solving the equation, with no consensus reached on a singular solution or method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best form of f(x) and the implications of the imaginary unit.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the integration process and the interpretation of constants involved in the solutions. The discussion also touches on philosophical aspects of scientific reasoning without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Is there a simplist f(x) such that

(d/dx)(exp(2[pi]i(f(x))))=(x/c+c/x)(exp(2[pi]i(f(x)))),

where c is a constant? My thanks in advance.
 
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(d/dx) [ e2π i f(x) ] = (x/c + c/x) e2π i f(x) (the given)

set y = e2π i f(x) (subtitution)

(d/dx) [y] = (x/c + c/x) y
(1/y) (dy/dx) = x/c + c/x
∫(1/y)dy = ∫(x/c + c/x)dx
ln|y| = x2/(2c) + c ln|x| + k
eln|y| = ex2/(2c) + c ln|x| + k
|y| = K ex2/(2c) + c ln|x| (extract k)
e2π i f(x) = K ex2/(2c) + c ln|x| (substitute original expression for y)

2π i f(x) = x2/(2c) + c ln|x|
ln( K e2π i f(x) ) = ln(K ex2/(2c) + c ln|x|)
f(x) = -ix2/(2π+1c) - ic ln|x|/2π + K
(same answer as hallsofivy except using 2π instead of 2. note: i forgot to "un-e" the righthand side last time)
edit: made a serious typo plus changed to reflect that i stands for sqrt(-1)
 
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suffian, yes, "i" is here the imaginary number. How does that change your result?
 
(d/dx)(exp(2i(f(x))))=(x/c+c/x)(exp(2i(f(x))))

(d/dx(exp(2if(x))))= 2i f'(x) exp(2if(x)) so this equation is the same as

2i f' (x)= x/c+ c/x which is a first order, non-linear differential equation for f. It is separable and can be written as

2i df= (x/c+ c/x)dx

Integrating both sides 2i f= (1/2c)x2+ c ln|x|+ D
( D is the constant of integration- an arbitrary complex number).

f(x)= (-i/4c)x2+ (-i/2)c ln|x|+ D
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
Is there a simplist f(x) such that

(d/dx)(exp(2[pi]i(f(x))))=(x/c+c/x)(exp(2[pi]i(f(x)))),

where c is a constant? My thanks in advance.

Good, I'm glad that you haven't given up on your idea. Keep in mind though that it's usually faster to prove an idea wrong. A famous remark attributed to Feynman is that the job of a physicist is to prove themselves wrong as quickly as possible. No one wants to discover years later that their idea was not only doomed from the outset but that seeing this wasn't actually all that difficult, if only they'd been a little more objective. Also, don't underestimate how much can be learned by picking apart interesting, if ultimately wrong ideas, especially when they're your own.

There's always been a certain attraction in viewing things in dual terms. In physics, complementarity and more recently the dualities of string theory have given rise to all sorts of spectulation by people who like to play with abstract ideas (even if they don't understand them all that well at the time).
 

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